The real issue isn’t the weakness of eloping love - I wager you many many more arranged marriages have lapsed into sullen unhappiness and discontent. No, the real issue is that people fear that a woman could decide her own life and future; to look at character and personal compatibility, instead of caste,sect , money and family ego. Yes, ideally, elders should collaborate with the youth on future decisions. I think patience and time to deliberate are crucial. But where elders refuse to consider the wishes of the young - why are the youth assumed to be foolish and irrelevant in deciding their future?

For all of our supposed piety, marriage in our country is far more about family status, money and ethnicity - everything else is deemed useless illusion. What’s Islamic about such a state of affairs?

totally pathetic and low character girls

Even European and Americans are better

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Who is forcing pregnancy on anyone? You were equating marriage with forcing a woman to stay home and make babies. You are either anti-marriage or something to think that.

I have not agree that hanafi fiqh does not require a wali. You can go back and read my posts. I said that hanafi fiqh requires a wali. If someone got married without a wali then the hanafis don’t require them to marry again, according to Islam, but accept it. There is a huge difference.

You have to look the times and reasons to see the point of doing nikah at such a young age. One of the reasons (as was mentioned by a sahabi) is to make sure the girl is not left all alone if the parents were to die suddenly. This way the parents have already made sure she will not be taken by some corrupt person and abused. If all out world war breaks out and lasts for years then you would might see this practice make a come back.

@ Nazia

I have already provided ahadith to prove your false stories. Whatever you say about Islam cannot be relied upon since you don’t have any authentic Islamic proof for it and it’s nothing more than stories you have heard from story tellers. I don’t have time to read your long stories and make corrections, so I won’t.

When the Holy Prophet migrated to Medina, Hazrat Fatimah was unmarried. There were a number of proposals for her. First Hazrat Abu Bak’r requested for her hand. The Prophet of Allah asked him to wait for a heavenly direction. (Tabaqat). Hazrat Abu Bak’r discussed this matter with Hazrat Umar and asked him to also propose for his marriage with Hazrat Fatimah, which he did and got the same reply from the Holy Prophet . Then people persuaded Hazrat Ali to try his luck. But considering his straitened circumstances he was reluctant to propose. Moreover, keeping in view the turning down of the proposals of seniors like Abu Bakr and Umar he thought that he stood no chance. But people around him encouraged him to try on the score of his relationship with the Holy Prophet . However, he put up his proposal before the bride’s father, who accepted it. The Holy Prophet (sallal alaho alahie wasallam) also talked over this point with Hazrat Fatimah, saying that Hazrat Ali wanted to marry her. She kept quiet. This silence is considered as approval. Hazrat Fatimah was married to Hazrat Ali during the month of Muharram of 2 A.H. some 4 months after the marriage of Hazrat Ayeshah with the Holy Prophet ((Isaba).
According to Bukhari, the Holy Prophet had declared that: “Fatimah is a part of my body: one who annoys her, will annoy me”.

The moments of Hazrat Fatima before leaving the house of her beloved father and consolatory comments of father in the pages of History.

When a daughter is married and leaves her parental house to live with her husband, the situation is painfully sharp and pungent. The girl has to leave the house where she was born and brought up; where she spent her childhood and attained adolescence and where she spent the happiest and best days of her life. She goes to a new house in new environment with new people and to start a new life. She is naturally apprehensive of an uncertain future. In her modesty she tries to hide her discomfiture and anguish. She weeps but not loudly to attract attention. Hazrat Fatimah was also a girl leaving the house of her affectionate father. The Holy Prophet seeing her weeping, said to her, “Darling! Why these tears! I have married you with a person who is supreme in learning and suavity and is the first (among the boys) in accepting Islam”. (Usud-ul Ghaba)

This marriage was taken place after marriage of Holy Prophet with hazrat Ayesha.

Now I am taking another context of en event that was told by many scholars in different ways.

Hadhrat Fatimah the fourth and the youngest daughter of the Prophet Mohammad and the “head of the ladies in Paradise” was born in the 1st year of Nubuwwat, when he was 41. It is said that the name Fatimah (lit: safe from fire) was revealed by Allah. She was married to Ali in 2 A.H. and she began to live with him seven and a half months later. She was about fifteen and Ali was 21 at the time of their union. Of all the daughters, she was the most loved by the Prophet Mohammad (SAWA) ; whenever he went out on a journey, she was the last one to part and when he returned home she was the first one to meet him. When Ali (intended to marry Abu Jahal’s daughter, she was very much grieved and expressed her grief to the Prophet Mohammad The Prophet Mohammad said to Hadhrat Ali): “Fatimah is a part of my body. Whoever grieves her, grieves me.”
Ali . After her death, he married her niece Amamah .

So hazrat ali was actually advised to refrain from 2nd marriage to avoid pain to Hazrat Fatima.
Now read some lines about son of abu jahal’s son

krimah ibn Abi Jahl was an important early Muslim leader and companion of Muhammad. The son of Abu Jahl, Ikrimah was at first one of the chief Meccan opponents to Muhammad.

Some sources state that he was ordered to be executed at the Conquest of Mecca [1].

However, after Muhammad’s conquest of Mecca in 630, Ikrimah became a convert to Islam and an important civil and military leader in the early Islamic state. Abu Bakr sent Ikrimah against Musaylimah, in Yamamah. Ikrimah was the husband of Umm Hakim. He died in the Battle of Yarmouk during the conquest of Syria.

So in one way ghora ibne jahl(daughter of abu jahl) was sister of that warrior and martyr too.

Now this event was also explained in this way in history pages

ibn al Hashimi states:
Translation: It is narrated on the authority of Abu Abdullah Jafar Al-Sadiq: A miserable of the miserables came to Fatima, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, and said to her: “Did you not know that Ali proposed to marry (Khataba) the daughter of Abu Jahl?” She said: “Is it true what you say? He said three times: “What I say is true.” Jealousy entered into her (heart) to an extent she could not control, for Allah has ordained that women be jealous and that men perform Jihad, and He has made the reward of the patient (woman) similar to that of the Murabit and Muhajir in the way of Allah.

He said: And Fatima’s anguish became severe and she remained thinking about it until night time…she moved to her father’s residence. Ali came to his residence and did not see Fatima and his anguish increased and became great on him, even though he did not know what happened, and he was ashamed to call her from her father’s house so he went to the Masjid and prayed as much as Allah willed, and he collected some of the sand in the Masjid and laid on it.

When the Prophet saw how sad and anguished Fatima was, he poured water over himself and wore his clothes and entered the Masjid. He kept praying, making Rukoo and Sujood, and after every time he completed two Raka he made Du’a that Allah remove what Fatima had of sadness and anguish because he left her turning over and breathing heavily. When the Prophet saw that she could not sleep and could not rest he said: “O daughter, rise!” So she rose and the Prophet carried Al-Hassan and she carried Al-Hussain and took hold of Umm Kulthoom’s hand until they reached Ali (AS) while he was sleeping.

The Prophet put his foot on Ali, pinched him, and said: “Rise Abu Turab! You have disturbed many a resting person. Call for me Abu Bakr from his house and Umar from his Majlis and Talha.” So Ali went and got them from their houses and they gathered around the Messenger of Allah.

The Messenger of Allah then said: “O Ali! Do you not know that Fatima is a piece of me and I am from her. Whoever disturbs her, disturbs me and whoever disturbs me has disturbed Allah, and whoever disturbs her after my death then as if he has disturbed her in my lifetime and whoever disturbed her in my lifetime then as if he has disturbed her after my death.”

(source: Ibn Babveh Al Qummi’s “Elal Al-Sharae’”, pp.185-186, Al-Najaf Print; also narrated in Majlisi “Bihar” 43/201-202)

This story is not only narrated by the Shia founding father Al-Qummi, but it is also narrated by Al-Majlisi in his book Jala Al-Eoyon. There are not many scholars of the Shia considered more authoratative than Al-Qummi and Al-Majlisi, and both narrate this story.

It was actually Ali (r) who had angered Fatima (r), and consequently, the Prophet (s) chastised him by saying that whoever angers Fatima (r).

I am not in mood of extending this discussion as I am relieved from your answer that you cant think of marrying your daughter with 60 year old man. I also hope that in this way you would also feel the sentiments of those single women who cant go for Hajj due to strict Islamic laws as God has not .
provided them facility of man made specie called “mahram”
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@ Shahid: What is the point of doing nikah so young when she can object? Why not do nikah when she grows up?