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	<title>Comments on: Why Arbab Rahim and Sher Afgan were Shoe-Treated?</title>
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		<title>By: Prof. Yameen Zubairi USA</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/why-arbab-rahim-and-sher-afgan-were-shoe-treated/comment-page-1/#comment-10813</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. Yameen Zubairi USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. anonymous # 11.
Thanks for the comment; you have excellent memory.
Again , in a civilized culture change occurs through laws not by hooliganism, bias or opinionated diatribe. If we do not have laws about ruler's excesses and moneylaundering, make laws and then make everyone accountable, not just the people you dislike . Effective legislation , not speeches and emotional outbursts would civilize us. PM Gilani assures us that all of these incidents would be investigated. Give him some time. In the mean time condemn every act of violence and moneylaundering; every act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. anonymous # 11.<br />
Thanks for the comment; you have excellent memory.<br />
Again , in a civilized culture change occurs through laws not by hooliganism, bias or opinionated diatribe. If we do not have laws about ruler&#8217;s excesses and moneylaundering, make laws and then make everyone accountable, not just the people you dislike . Effective legislation , not speeches and emotional outbursts would civilize us. PM Gilani assures us that all of these incidents would be investigated. Give him some time. In the mean time condemn every act of violence and moneylaundering; every act.</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/why-arbab-rahim-and-sher-afgan-were-shoe-treated/comment-page-1/#comment-10550</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johan your comment # 7 above:

Yes, agree with you in pricple. However, humans can learn where as an animal generally can't. Hands do get dirty but one just can't let the dirt lie around. I know what you mean with your adbice. It's not easy for me either to handle this sad and unfortunate situation, but then one must resist such ruthless assaults on decency and polite discourse. Of course, we must not always agree - how monotonous and boring place this world would be without disagreements and debates. Appreciate your point of view, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johan your comment # 7 above:</p>
<p>Yes, agree with you in pricple. However, humans can learn where as an animal generally can&#8217;t. Hands do get dirty but one just can&#8217;t let the dirt lie around. I know what you mean with your adbice. It&#8217;s not easy for me either to handle this sad and unfortunate situation, but then one must resist such ruthless assaults on decency and polite discourse. Of course, we must not always agree - how monotonous and boring place this world would be without disagreements and debates. Appreciate your point of view, though.</p>
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		<title>By: jusathot</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/why-arbab-rahim-and-sher-afgan-were-shoe-treated/comment-page-1/#comment-10539</link>
		<dc:creator>jusathot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof Yameen Zubairi, we share your frustration. Just as we shared your disappointment when over a decade ago when you said: “MQM was losing the battle of the brains.” The cycle of violence will continue until we have a change of status quo. Changing of guards and sherwani or topi will not bring us democracy. Most Pakistani-American finds it difficult to be proud of either – it is a double-whammy, if you like. They have sown the seeds for a bitter harvest. This Establishment must be completely dismantled before we can dream about accountability process and democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Yameen Zubairi, we share your frustration. Just as we shared your disappointment when over a decade ago when you said: “MQM was losing the battle of the brains.” The cycle of violence will continue until we have a change of status quo. Changing of guards and sherwani or topi will not bring us democracy. Most Pakistani-American finds it difficult to be proud of either – it is a double-whammy, if you like. They have sown the seeds for a bitter harvest. This Establishment must be completely dismantled before we can dream about accountability process and democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. Yameen Zubairi USA</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/why-arbab-rahim-and-sher-afgan-were-shoe-treated/comment-page-1/#comment-10518</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. Yameen Zubairi USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a civilized society, such as Pakistanis aspire, a misdeed should be punished when it is committed. The sooner it is punished the better the society will be. Punishment should be commensurate with action. Both the Niazi incident in Lahore and Arbab Rahim one in Sind remain unpunished. The Karachi Violence both of May 9th and the bigger one on post-BB’s death remain unpunished and uninvestigated. To find the root-causes of the anger that boils our blood cannot be used as a diversionary tactic to practice double standards. No one is stopping you to alleviate the root causes. The cycle of violence will continue and is a known character of Muslim societies which are not civilized enough to channel it through an accountability process; this process is what democracy is all about. As an American-Pakistani it is difficult to be proud of my people.( Dr. Zubairi)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a civilized society, such as Pakistanis aspire, a misdeed should be punished when it is committed. The sooner it is punished the better the society will be. Punishment should be commensurate with action. Both the Niazi incident in Lahore and Arbab Rahim one in Sind remain unpunished. The Karachi Violence both of May 9th and the bigger one on post-BB’s death remain unpunished and uninvestigated. To find the root-causes of the anger that boils our blood cannot be used as a diversionary tactic to practice double standards. No one is stopping you to alleviate the root causes. The cycle of violence will continue and is a known character of Muslim societies which are not civilized enough to channel it through an accountability process; this process is what democracy is all about. As an American-Pakistani it is difficult to be proud of my people.( Dr. Zubairi)</p>
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		<title>By: Farid Masood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farid Masood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘litter-parade’ :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘litter-parade’ <img src='http://www.pkhope.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ch. Naeem Sidhu</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/why-arbab-rahim-and-sher-afgan-were-shoe-treated/comment-page-1/#comment-10492</link>
		<dc:creator>Ch. Naeem Sidhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lawyer has told me that he is working to find the relevant provisions of Constitution under which Dr. S. Afgan was thrashed. He warned that after he would present the constitutional justification of 'litter-parade' of PML -Q leaders, then we should not comment that the interpretation of consitution was wrong. It would be the same way as Doctor sahib had been doing in last years i.e SOPHISTRY....(cheating others by giving false arguments).... 
Dear writers and commentators, the opening up of the society will yield to some ugly events. It is not very dangerous. The real danger is acts master-minded by presidency and acted upon by MQM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lawyer has told me that he is working to find the relevant provisions of Constitution under which Dr. S. Afgan was thrashed. He warned that after he would present the constitutional justification of &#8216;litter-parade&#8217; of PML -Q leaders, then we should not comment that the interpretation of consitution was wrong. It would be the same way as Doctor sahib had been doing in last years i.e SOPHISTRY&#8230;.(cheating others by giving false arguments)&#8230;.<br />
Dear writers and commentators, the opening up of the society will yield to some ugly events. It is not very dangerous. The real danger is acts master-minded by presidency and acted upon by MQM.</p>
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		<title>By: Saleem Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/why-arbab-rahim-and-sher-afgan-were-shoe-treated/comment-page-1/#comment-10440</link>
		<dc:creator>Saleem Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aftab,

You first analyse Mushi actions and his dark rule of 8 yers on Pakistan, then comment on others. Don't get so biased about PMLN and PPP politicians. Mushi and his regime was not good too. Try to analyse all at same level and then decide. DOnt compare on the basis of finance. try to analyse whole society position now and before 2000. then speak truth. neither Mushi is giving u any thing, nor PPP or PMLN is giving me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aftab,</p>
<p>You first analyse Mushi actions and his dark rule of 8 yers on Pakistan, then comment on others. Don&#8217;t get so biased about PMLN and PPP politicians. Mushi and his regime was not good too. Try to analyse all at same level and then decide. DOnt compare on the basis of finance. try to analyse whole society position now and before 2000. then speak truth. neither Mushi is giving u any thing, nor PPP or PMLN is giving me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rubab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rubab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only problem is Mush, if he goes out, then everything will be alright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem is Mush, if he goes out, then everything will be alright.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. Armughan Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/why-arbab-rahim-and-sher-afgan-were-shoe-treated/comment-page-1/#comment-10432</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. Armughan Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a beautiful and thought-provoking post.

Great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a beautiful and thought-provoking post.</p>
<p>Great.</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/why-arbab-rahim-and-sher-afgan-were-shoe-treated/comment-page-1/#comment-10144</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear All (Readers, Commentators, Writers and The Pakistan Spectators),

This I write to explain my position on the exchange of communication with this individual identified by “IA” whatever that denotes. It is encouraging to note that the operators / managers / owners of “The Pakistan Spectators” decided to warn and reprimand the abuser of this great facility. I am grateful to the management for their stand. My stand is that all of us who have a point to raise or comment must have the moral courage and strength of their conviction to say so without hiding behind fictitious identities. I sincerely believe that to help our intellectual culture from moral corruption the saner segment of our populace must rethink our values. It is simply not right and must not be accepted as the appropriate course to just keep quiet in response to a vicious and vile attack from those who have little respect for decency and are just not capable to comprehend even the meaning of discerning. I am of the opinion that one must counter such people on their terms and pay them in their own favorite currency; a gesture for gesture, a word for word, and an abuse for an abuse. I know many of you will say that decency must prevail. True, it must. However, I must repeat we have to speak up in any language that would bring message home to such characters and not let few small minds prevent us by challenging and threatening our gentility. However, do forgive me for taking this route to counter the profanity and intellectual bankruptcy of the correspondent referred above.  

Having said the above, I must protest for being denied free and un-moderated access to this forum to express my opinion for this amounts to equate the offender and the offended. This can hardly be called fair and just. Of course, this is your party and its your prerogative who you invite and what you offer to drink and I am no gate crasher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All (Readers, Commentators, Writers and The Pakistan Spectators),</p>
<p>This I write to explain my position on the exchange of communication with this individual identified by “IA” whatever that denotes. It is encouraging to note that the operators / managers / owners of “The Pakistan Spectators” decided to warn and reprimand the abuser of this great facility. I am grateful to the management for their stand. My stand is that all of us who have a point to raise or comment must have the moral courage and strength of their conviction to say so without hiding behind fictitious identities. I sincerely believe that to help our intellectual culture from moral corruption the saner segment of our populace must rethink our values. It is simply not right and must not be accepted as the appropriate course to just keep quiet in response to a vicious and vile attack from those who have little respect for decency and are just not capable to comprehend even the meaning of discerning. I am of the opinion that one must counter such people on their terms and pay them in their own favorite currency; a gesture for gesture, a word for word, and an abuse for an abuse. I know many of you will say that decency must prevail. True, it must. However, I must repeat we have to speak up in any language that would bring message home to such characters and not let few small minds prevent us by challenging and threatening our gentility. However, do forgive me for taking this route to counter the profanity and intellectual bankruptcy of the correspondent referred above.  </p>
<p>Having said the above, I must protest for being denied free and un-moderated access to this forum to express my opinion for this amounts to equate the offender and the offended. This can hardly be called fair and just. Of course, this is your party and its your prerogative who you invite and what you offer to drink and I am no gate crasher.</p>
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