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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/was-long-march-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-38542</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"..........But the real reason why President Musharraf is important today is because he is the sun around which Pakistan’s small universe revolves. In an ironic way, he is the apple of the eye for the judiciary, political parties, civil society and even the Islamists. The moment President Musharraf decides to throw in the towel, the grand shows that are being staged in different parts of the country, the speeches, the street marches, numerous press briefings and last minute revelations on television screens will come to a halt.

The continuing excitement in Pakistan’s politics which is providing a smokescreen to hide the grim reality of world economic recession, rising commodity prices and a bleak investment outlook for the foreseeable future will disappear quickly like vine withering away in a rainless hot summer......
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Others are united in the belief that he must be held accountable for overthrowing a democratically elected government and undermining an important institution of state. Still some more want him to be accountable for the hard strategic decisions that were taken during the last eight plus years, costing precious lives in Kargil, Balochistan, North Waziristan and Lal Masjid operations. Whatever their gripe, they are united in their hatred for Musharraf. As long as he is in office as president, the nation stands united — even archrival political parties whose leaders suffered so much at each others’ hands have decided to ignore their half healed wounds. They have become brothers just to take on Musharraf."

(Musharraf’s last legacy - Syed Sharfuddin, DAWN, Saturday June 14, 2008)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.But the real reason why President Musharraf is important today is because he is the sun around which Pakistan’s small universe revolves. In an ironic way, he is the apple of the eye for the judiciary, political parties, civil society and even the Islamists. The moment President Musharraf decides to throw in the towel, the grand shows that are being staged in different parts of the country, the speeches, the street marches, numerous press briefings and last minute revelations on television screens will come to a halt.</p>
<p>The continuing excitement in Pakistan’s politics which is providing a smokescreen to hide the grim reality of world economic recession, rising commodity prices and a bleak investment outlook for the foreseeable future will disappear quickly like vine withering away in a rainless hot summer&#8230;&#8230;<br />
&#8230;..<br />
Others are united in the belief that he must be held accountable for overthrowing a democratically elected government and undermining an important institution of state. Still some more want him to be accountable for the hard strategic decisions that were taken during the last eight plus years, costing precious lives in Kargil, Balochistan, North Waziristan and Lal Masjid operations. Whatever their gripe, they are united in their hatred for Musharraf. As long as he is in office as president, the nation stands united — even archrival political parties whose leaders suffered so much at each others’ hands have decided to ignore their half healed wounds. They have become brothers just to take on Musharraf.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Musharraf’s last legacy - Syed Sharfuddin, DAWN, Saturday June 14, 2008)</p>
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		<title>By: Aashique of Musharraf</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/was-long-march-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-38514</link>
		<dc:creator>Aashique of Musharraf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farid,

We the Pakistani nation funding for Musharraf. Can't you see? Wake up and open your eyes and remove the spectacles of haared and jealousy and use their mind.

If majority of Pakastanis not supporting Musharraf: he will be out from presidency within no time. Look at the history of Pakistan politics, the rulers who were not liked by Pakistanis were thrown out from power by hook or by crook.

Musharraf, we are with you. Don't scare and do whatever you like and even you can use 58 2 B, to get rid of these mean politicians especially Nawaz Sharif.

Nawaz Sharif has harmed the country the most in recent years. This characterless person has been fighting with COASs, Judiciary, Presidencys and did his utmost to brought down Benazir govt. twice.

He is the NO.1 MULK DUSHMAN, BEZAMEER, AND UTTER DISHONEST PERSON WHO HAS EARNED BILLIONS FROM PAKISTAN AND STOLE THE TAXES, LOOTED THE MONEY OF THE PUBLIC BY MULK SANWARO QARZ UTARO AND BY FREEZING FOREIGN EXCHANGE RESERVES.

THE DAY HE CAME TO PAKISTAN, THE COUNTRY HAS TOUCHED ITS LOWEST EBB IN EVERY RESPECT. 

AEY ALLAH! TU AESAY AADMI KO UTHALEY JO MULK KA ITNA DUSHMAN HO AUR AILK NO. KA KINA PARWAR HO

AAMEEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farid,</p>
<p>We the Pakistani nation funding for Musharraf. Can&#8217;t you see? Wake up and open your eyes and remove the spectacles of haared and jealousy and use their mind.</p>
<p>If majority of Pakastanis not supporting Musharraf: he will be out from presidency within no time. Look at the history of Pakistan politics, the rulers who were not liked by Pakistanis were thrown out from power by hook or by crook.</p>
<p>Musharraf, we are with you. Don&#8217;t scare and do whatever you like and even you can use 58 2 B, to get rid of these mean politicians especially Nawaz Sharif.</p>
<p>Nawaz Sharif has harmed the country the most in recent years. This characterless person has been fighting with COASs, Judiciary, Presidencys and did his utmost to brought down Benazir govt. twice.</p>
<p>He is the NO.1 MULK DUSHMAN, BEZAMEER, AND UTTER DISHONEST PERSON WHO HAS EARNED BILLIONS FROM PAKISTAN AND STOLE THE TAXES, LOOTED THE MONEY OF THE PUBLIC BY MULK SANWARO QARZ UTARO AND BY FREEZING FOREIGN EXCHANGE RESERVES.</p>
<p>THE DAY HE CAME TO PAKISTAN, THE COUNTRY HAS TOUCHED ITS LOWEST EBB IN EVERY RESPECT. </p>
<p>AEY ALLAH! TU AESAY AADMI KO UTHALEY JO MULK KA ITNA DUSHMAN HO AUR AILK NO. KA KINA PARWAR HO</p>
<p>AAMEEN</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/was-long-march-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-38261</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people have chronic case of Musharraf 'phobia'. I hope their condition is not too acute and can be helped. Read the following it just might sooth your jittery nerves a little.

".............. After all, whatever else might have to be said against Musharraf and the technocrats and bureaucrats on whom he relied, it cannot be denied that in their time the national income had doubled — in nominal terms if not in purchasing power. Though the benefits of growth had not travelled down to one-third of the people at the bottom of the pile living on no more than Rs150 a day, the professional class indeed had expanded and prospered.

As it is the time ahead is difficult for the world economy as a whole, the democratic government should not make it more difficult for Pakistan through its compromises and incompetence. An independent judiciary is important to justice and the wrong done to the judges must be undone but it should not bring the business of the state to a standstill while the misery of the poor and jobless grows and life becomes insecure even for those who are more fortunately placed.........."

("Justice for the common man"  By Kunwar Idris; DAWN, Sunday June 15, 2008)

"For most of us, the issue of restoring the judiciary was just one aspect of the anti-dictatorship struggle. But with the elections, the defeat of the PML-Q, and the marginalisation of Musharraf, the issue of the judiciary should have become subordinate to the larger compulsion of protecting the emerging democratic order, and making it work.

So why didn’t things work out this way? Why are the marchers risking the collapse of the system? Surely they don’t imagine for a moment that the judiciary will remain independent if martial law is declared. As I said earlier, there are forces that are willing to risk all the political gains we have made in the last few months in order to make a grab for absolute power. A share of the government is not enough: they want it all, and they want it now."

( "Heads I win, tails you lose"  By Irfan Husain, DAWN Saturday June 14, 2008).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people have chronic case of Musharraf &#8216;phobia&#8217;. I hope their condition is not too acute and can be helped. Read the following it just might sooth your jittery nerves a little.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. After all, whatever else might have to be said against Musharraf and the technocrats and bureaucrats on whom he relied, it cannot be denied that in their time the national income had doubled — in nominal terms if not in purchasing power. Though the benefits of growth had not travelled down to one-third of the people at the bottom of the pile living on no more than Rs150 a day, the professional class indeed had expanded and prospered.</p>
<p>As it is the time ahead is difficult for the world economy as a whole, the democratic government should not make it more difficult for Pakistan through its compromises and incompetence. An independent judiciary is important to justice and the wrong done to the judges must be undone but it should not bring the business of the state to a standstill while the misery of the poor and jobless grows and life becomes insecure even for those who are more fortunately placed&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>(&#8221;Justice for the common man&#8221;  By Kunwar Idris; DAWN, Sunday June 15, 2008)</p>
<p>&#8220;For most of us, the issue of restoring the judiciary was just one aspect of the anti-dictatorship struggle. But with the elections, the defeat of the PML-Q, and the marginalisation of Musharraf, the issue of the judiciary should have become subordinate to the larger compulsion of protecting the emerging democratic order, and making it work.</p>
<p>So why didn’t things work out this way? Why are the marchers risking the collapse of the system? Surely they don’t imagine for a moment that the judiciary will remain independent if martial law is declared. As I said earlier, there are forces that are willing to risk all the political gains we have made in the last few months in order to make a grab for absolute power. A share of the government is not enough: they want it all, and they want it now.&#8221;</p>
<p>( &#8220;Heads I win, tails you lose&#8221;  By Irfan Husain, DAWN Saturday June 14, 2008).</p>
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		<title>By: Rahim</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/was-long-march-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-38201</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Inside Man</description>
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		<title>By: Farid Masood</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/was-long-march-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-38200</link>
		<dc:creator>Farid Masood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aashique of Musharraf 

who is funding Musharraf?</description>
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<p>who is funding Musharraf?</p>
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		<title>By: Rahim</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/was-long-march-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-38168</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All comments of Aashique of Musharraf are not rubbish.

Media should be free but it should not be free of ethics.

Problems with GEO.

1) GEO tends to abuse the freedom. Conveying News is one thing, conveying it in a particular manner that is not impartial is another. And it can affect how people think. Both legally and ethically "GEO News cannot use the freedom to makeup the public's mindset for or against anyone." It is not only a bad practise and injustice with the profession but also dangerous for the country. Your objective is to make money but my problem is that not all viewers of GEO are 50 years old goats. There are children who watch GEO, their brains are tender, they don't understand under what circumstances they are watching it--they just watch, and now they have started to dislike if not hate the Pakistan Army and Pakistani Politics..in fact the whole country. GEO has the mandate to "make money by using the news" but please don't poison the children of my country. They are our future. We count on _them_. Not on somebody's business.
Sometimes, the GEO programs look as if they are not intended to be watched by Pakistanis but the rest of the world. Shame on you GEO. In one way or another, you all are pets.
If GEO staff or its investors do not like a particular person or group, please keep it to your homes or offices. What you should deliver to us is "JUST NEWS".

2) I want to see some Pakistani stuff when I'm watching a Pakistani TV channel. I DO KNOW how to use my TV's remote control to switch to STAR PLUS.

3) Who in the hell asks the &lt;strike&gt;funny guys&lt;/strike&gt; GEO newscasters to almost grin after every news headline that is about a murder or a road accident? No other Pakistani TV channel have that ridiculous smiling section in their News hours. After reading the news, please use your bloody common sense.
Again, your job is to convey the news; and that's all. Keep your bloody opinions in your pocket, don't express it. I am not requesting you to shed tears after you have informed us of a massacre but please at least do not grin, you don't look good.
I felt sorry last year when GEO's office was attacked but now, sometimes while watching GEO News, I think that it was not so wrong.

Enough of suggestions to GEO. If you are AAJ TV's employee, please keep reading.

1) TOUCH Condoms? Shame on AAJ TV.
They start condom ads 8:00am everyday till 12:00am. WTF? Are you running out of sponsors or what? You should shutdown the channel if you don't have enough sponsors but take the condom ads out of the transmission. AAJ is not a family channel. No matter one needs it or not, the condom ads for Live with Talat Hussain anger, piss off a lot, piss off a little, embarrass or at least make uncomfortable 99% of Pakistanis. Where in the hell you think you are broadcasting the channel? It's Pakistan goddamn it. Tomorrow you will advertise dil--s. Shame on AAJ TV and its senior executives.

2) Your newscasters are relatively less expressive which is good. But one of the ladies that you have looks constipated. Please, news are enough to cause depression in the masses. Bring some good stuff like GEO. Even PTV has good taste.

Your well wisher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All comments of Aashique of Musharraf are not rubbish.</p>
<p>Media should be free but it should not be free of ethics.</p>
<p>Problems with GEO.</p>
<p>1) GEO tends to abuse the freedom. Conveying News is one thing, conveying it in a particular manner that is not impartial is another. And it can affect how people think. Both legally and ethically &#8220;GEO News cannot use the freedom to makeup the public&#8217;s mindset for or against anyone.&#8221; It is not only a bad practise and injustice with the profession but also dangerous for the country. Your objective is to make money but my problem is that not all viewers of GEO are 50 years old goats. There are children who watch GEO, their brains are tender, they don&#8217;t understand under what circumstances they are watching it&#8211;they just watch, and now they have started to dislike if not hate the Pakistan Army and Pakistani Politics..in fact the whole country. GEO has the mandate to &#8220;make money by using the news&#8221; but please don&#8217;t poison the children of my country. They are our future. We count on _them_. Not on somebody&#8217;s business.<br />
Sometimes, the GEO programs look as if they are not intended to be watched by Pakistanis but the rest of the world. Shame on you GEO. In one way or another, you all are pets.<br />
If GEO staff or its investors do not like a particular person or group, please keep it to your homes or offices. What you should deliver to us is &#8220;JUST NEWS&#8221;.</p>
<p>2) I want to see some Pakistani stuff when I&#8217;m watching a Pakistani TV channel. I DO KNOW how to use my TV&#8217;s remote control to switch to STAR PLUS.</p>
<p>3) Who in the hell asks the <strike>funny guys</strike> GEO newscasters to almost grin after every news headline that is about a murder or a road accident? No other Pakistani TV channel have that ridiculous smiling section in their News hours. After reading the news, please use your bloody common sense.<br />
Again, your job is to convey the news; and that&#8217;s all. Keep your bloody opinions in your pocket, don&#8217;t express it. I am not requesting you to shed tears after you have informed us of a massacre but please at least do not grin, you don&#8217;t look good.<br />
I felt sorry last year when GEO&#8217;s office was attacked but now, sometimes while watching GEO News, I think that it was not so wrong.</p>
<p>Enough of suggestions to GEO. If you are AAJ TV&#8217;s employee, please keep reading.</p>
<p>1) TOUCH Condoms? Shame on AAJ TV.<br />
They start condom ads 8:00am everyday till 12:00am. WTF? Are you running out of sponsors or what? You should shutdown the channel if you don&#8217;t have enough sponsors but take the condom ads out of the transmission. AAJ is not a family channel. No matter one needs it or not, the condom ads for Live with Talat Hussain anger, piss off a lot, piss off a little, embarrass or at least make uncomfortable 99% of Pakistanis. Where in the hell you think you are broadcasting the channel? It&#8217;s Pakistan goddamn it. Tomorrow you will advertise dil&#8211;s. Shame on AAJ TV and its senior executives.</p>
<p>2) Your newscasters are relatively less expressive which is good. But one of the ladies that you have looks constipated. Please, news are enough to cause depression in the masses. Bring some good stuff like GEO. Even PTV has good taste.</p>
<p>Your well wisher</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Razahaider</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/was-long-march-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-38009</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Razahaider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>short sighted march</description>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/was-long-march-a-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-37898</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daakter Hasan Isfahani, you claim,  "Hundreds of Thousands of people gathered in the Parade Avenue if not millions in the wake of long march ............"

The TOTAL population of Islamabad is just about one million people. Judging from your this hyperbolic estimate, the readers are better off, discounting all you say by,  let's say by about 90%. You really have worked very hard, haven't you, to destroy your own credibility. Tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daakter Hasan Isfahani, you claim,  &#8220;Hundreds of Thousands of people gathered in the Parade Avenue if not millions in the wake of long march &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The TOTAL population of Islamabad is just about one million people. Judging from your this hyperbolic estimate, the readers are better off, discounting all you say by,  let&#8217;s say by about 90%. You really have worked very hard, haven&#8217;t you, to destroy your own credibility. Tough.</p>
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		<title>By: MSShaikh</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSShaikh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The positive side of the March was to see that Pakistanis of today can make a point decently...without tearing down traffic signals, shattering commercial window panes and killing a few.
Please, excuse my ignorance when I ask: 
What was the immediate, and distant aim of the drive? I ask this not out of sarcasm but rather to really know from those present on this historic event.
Secondly, why is it that the noble judiciary stands shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Nawaz Sharif, knowing fully that he and his cronies orchestrated the Supreme COurt building storming and that case is still pending (I refer to a factual article by Mr. Cowasjee in todays DAWN, I think there is not much to argue on the essence of this piece). 
Also, Justice Iftikhar Choudary is on record (on none other than GEO, would you believe it) saying that PCO judges have no legal value. That should also disqualify him from the court, right ? 
Now, the most critical point for me: assuming that our country has been messed up by Mushy, then was it not Justice Choudary et al who validated his take-over under the pretence of necessity (or some thing like that). Unfortunately then, Juctice Choudary is part of the problem.
This issue has been deeply politicised and bias sown in every individual - the end does not seem close.  
Congrats to all those who took part in this memorable movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The positive side of the March was to see that Pakistanis of today can make a point decently&#8230;without tearing down traffic signals, shattering commercial window panes and killing a few.<br />
Please, excuse my ignorance when I ask:<br />
What was the immediate, and distant aim of the drive? I ask this not out of sarcasm but rather to really know from those present on this historic event.<br />
Secondly, why is it that the noble judiciary stands shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Nawaz Sharif, knowing fully that he and his cronies orchestrated the Supreme COurt building storming and that case is still pending (I refer to a factual article by Mr. Cowasjee in todays DAWN, I think there is not much to argue on the essence of this piece).<br />
Also, Justice Iftikhar Choudary is on record (on none other than GEO, would you believe it) saying that PCO judges have no legal value. That should also disqualify him from the court, right ?<br />
Now, the most critical point for me: assuming that our country has been messed up by Mushy, then was it not Justice Choudary et al who validated his take-over under the pretence of necessity (or some thing like that). Unfortunately then, Juctice Choudary is part of the problem.<br />
This issue has been deeply politicised and bias sown in every individual - the end does not seem close.<br />
Congrats to all those who took part in this memorable movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Omair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saleem are you seriously dillusional or just blinded by the extreme love for a ceratin group of people? 

The person speaking at the lomng March is one who himslef ridiculed the justice system during his tenure, has on more than one occasion lied to the country, looted the country, had persudaed widows to sell dowry (collected for their daughter's weddings) in the name of the fake ' mulk bachao scheme', while he himslef amassed wealth and built a palace in punjab!!....You seriously want people to believe that a movement supported by him will be sincere to the country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saleem are you seriously dillusional or just blinded by the extreme love for a ceratin group of people? </p>
<p>The person speaking at the lomng March is one who himslef ridiculed the justice system during his tenure, has on more than one occasion lied to the country, looted the country, had persudaed widows to sell dowry (collected for their daughter&#8217;s weddings) in the name of the fake &#8216; mulk bachao scheme&#8217;, while he himslef amassed wealth and built a palace in punjab!!&#8230;.You seriously want people to believe that a movement supported by him will be sincere to the country?</p>
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