Comments on: The Chain of events …… Now the attack on G.H.Q http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/ A Candid Blog Fri, 25 May 2012 05:14:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: nazia http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-760471 nazia Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:10:40 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-760471 @15 In this war on terror I am victim e so why I would go to study insurgency,counter insurgency / terrorism / Low Intensity Conflicts / Asymmetrical warfare.This is my job to set up procedure of counter intelligence, controlling contingency, cross border movement and back lash of war activities?History has many examples that can taken as lesson but it is job of defense analyst working in strategic and planning sections of army to forecast the coming dangers to our country and her fellow men You want me to take all this mismanagement as such because we are an unlucky nation otherwise our planner did the right act of indulging our army into war of foreigners? Sorry as a professional I highly believe that wrong, casual and selfish decisions always lead us toward wrong side and in some cases toward disaster or dead end. More we would opt for other's convenience and priorities over our standard of national interests , more we would dig in pool of problems. @15
In this war on terror I am victim e so why I would go to study insurgency,counter insurgency / terrorism / Low Intensity Conflicts / Asymmetrical warfare.This is my job to set up procedure of counter intelligence, controlling contingency, cross border movement and back lash of war activities?History has many examples that can taken as lesson but it is job of defense analyst working in strategic and planning sections of army to forecast the coming dangers to our country and her fellow men
You want me to take all this mismanagement as such because we are an unlucky nation otherwise our planner did the right act of indulging our army into war of foreigners?
Sorry as a professional I highly believe that wrong, casual and selfish decisions always lead us toward wrong side and in some cases toward disaster or dead end.
More we would opt for other’s convenience and priorities over our standard of national interests , more we would dig in pool of problems.

]]> By: Lahori http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-760470 Lahori Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:09:57 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-760470 This classic example of foreign hand in the events that took place in GHQ and we all know who that hand belongs to which has Slumdog written all over it. Our own mujahideen will never attack our own army! This classic example of foreign hand in the events that took place in GHQ and we all know who that hand belongs to which has Slumdog written all over it. Our own mujahideen will never attack our own army!

]]> By: Hassan http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-759593 Hassan Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:31:39 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-759593 Probably Mr. Usman's hasn't come close to losing a loved one by the tribesmen suicide bombing. These are people who are challenging teh writ of the Government. the State. Shall they be given a free hand in implementing by force their form of Islam? Certainly not. Are they practicing the same religion that was practiced by Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)? Certainly not. Do you think Pakistan would progress under their rule? Certainly not. Do you think Pakistan would be a better Muslim country than it is now? Certainly not. Are you for women being kept in veils as slaves and not get any education? I am sure you are a better man than that. Blaming the Armed Forces for killing children and women whereas the people of Swat say the same about the Talibans. I have quite a few friends who are from Swat and they report quite contrary of what you claim. Not very convincing Mr Usman!! Probably Mr. Usman’s hasn’t come close to losing a loved one by the tribesmen suicide bombing. These are people who are challenging teh writ of the Government. the State. Shall they be given a free hand in implementing by force their form of Islam? Certainly not. Are they practicing the same religion that was practiced by Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)? Certainly not. Do you think Pakistan would progress under their rule? Certainly not. Do you think Pakistan would be a better Muslim country than it is now? Certainly not. Are you for women being kept in veils as slaves and not get any education? I am sure you are a better man than that. Blaming the Armed Forces for killing children and women whereas the people of Swat say the same about the Talibans. I have quite a few friends who are from Swat and they report quite contrary of what you claim. Not very convincing Mr Usman!!

]]> By: usman http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-759183 usman Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:02:42 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-759183 O Armed Forces of Pakistan! These are the same tribesmen along with whom you expelled USSR from this region. They used to love you and you respected them. Then who is the one who turned you against each other? Indeed it all started with the advent of US troops in the region. Know thy enemy and support your brothers who are busy in expelling the crusaders from the region instead of lending support to the devil, the USA. Bear in mind, It is not acceptable in front of Allah (swt) in any case that you kill Muslims by allying with Kuffar. Allah (swt) said; وَمَنْ يَقْتُلْ مُؤْمِنًا مُتَعَمِّدًا فَجَزَاؤُهُ جَهَنَّمُ خَالِدًا فِيهَا وَغَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَلَعَنَهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُ عَذَابًا عَظِيمًا And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his Recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allâh are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for Him. (TMQ: An-Nisa; 93) O Armed Forces of Pakistan! These are the same tribesmen along with whom you expelled USSR from this region. They used to love you and you respected them. Then who is the one who turned you against each other? Indeed it all started with the advent of US troops in the region. Know thy enemy and support your brothers who are busy in expelling the crusaders from the region instead of lending support to the devil, the USA. Bear in mind, It is not acceptable in front of Allah (swt) in any case that you kill Muslims by allying with Kuffar. Allah (swt) said;

وَمَنْ يَقْتُلْ مُؤْمِنًا مُتَعَمِّدًا فَجَزَاؤُهُ جَهَنَّمُ خَالِدًا فِيهَا وَغَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَلَعَنَهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُ عَذَابًا عَظِيمًا

And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his Recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allâh are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for Him. (TMQ: An-Nisa; 93)

]]> By: usman http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-759166 usman Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:57:22 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-759166 In the previous military operation in Swat, the government killed thousands of children, elderly and women besides turning millions homeless. The government destroyed their homes, markets and roads and termed it a ‘bitter pill’ which they had to swallow. They further claimed that if the masses “sacrificed” and accepted these losses for once the government will be able to clear the area from terrorists and achieve complete and lasting peace. But after destruction and losses to the tune of billions of rupees, instead of achieving peace Malakand has been converted into a ‘Mega Jail’ by imposing curfews while people starve in their homes. Despite destruction of their fruit farms and crops, neither all “terrorist” were arrested nor killed rather they simply shifted to new areas while bomb blasts and chaos still prevails. Hizb ut-Tahrir forewarned the people prior to military operation that defeating terrorism is just an excuse while in reality America is fighting the people of the region under the guise of fighting militants. It is the people of this region who did their level best in helping their Afghan brothers across the Durand Line. America is aware that until and unless she does not crush the Jihad loving Islamists of the tribal area or disenchant them from Islam, she cannot win the war in Afghanistan. That is why the Waziristan operation in 2003-4 which America conducted through Pak Army was an utter failure since there was no public opinion to support it, especially amongst the soldiers who were not prepared to kill their own Muslim brothers for the sake of America. As a result the government was forced to halt the military operation and sign a deal with Nek Muhammad, who was later martyred by American missile attack. This was enough for America to realize that unless the resistance is not discredited amongst the Pakistani people and the Armed Forces, she can never succeed in her objectives. Thus, American and Pakistani spy agencies started infiltrating the militants and did certain actions that would give a bad name to the resistance and make them unpopular. Later, according to a plan, the government of Pakistan allowed these “extremists” to openly establish training camps and launch radio stations. Moreover, they were allowed to recruit from masses as well as harass the population. In the mean time, the government intentionally weakened its grip allowing its writ to deplete and then started a powerful propaganda campaign in the media that extremists are challenging the writ of the state. They also propagated that the situation is so bad that extremists can actually capture Islamabad anytime. On the other hand, American spy agencies and mercenaries of Blackwater were given free rein in Pakistan resulting into Iraq style bombings in the cities. The sole purpose of which was to create public opinion for military operation in the tribal belt and its surrounding areas. Broadcasting the lashing video and airing the images of hundreds of destroyed schools was very effectively used to further infuriate the already angry people of Pakistan to an extent that voices calling or military operation started to come from all directions of Pakistan. This was the heinous plan undertaken by the Pakistani government which not only helped them to impose a brutal war on the Muslims of the frontier belt but they also succeeded in throwing the brave and fearless soldiers of Pak Army into this pit of fire under the pretext of Indian presence and involvement in the Tribal belt. If India is actually present in this area and meddling in our affairs then why doesn’t Pakistan bring these proofs on any of the international forums? Rather Pakistan is willing to go as humiliatingly low as possible in its endeavour to create brotherly relationship with India. In the previous military operation in Swat, the government killed thousands of children, elderly and women besides turning millions homeless. The government destroyed their homes, markets and roads and termed it a ‘bitter pill’ which they had to swallow. They further claimed that if the masses “sacrificed” and accepted these losses for once the government will be able to clear the area from terrorists and achieve complete and lasting peace. But after destruction and losses to the tune of billions of rupees, instead of achieving peace Malakand has been converted into a ‘Mega Jail’ by imposing curfews while people starve in their homes. Despite destruction of their fruit farms and crops, neither all “terrorist” were arrested nor killed rather they simply shifted to new areas while bomb blasts and chaos still prevails. Hizb ut-Tahrir forewarned the people prior to military operation that defeating terrorism is just an excuse while in reality America is fighting the people of the region under the guise of fighting militants. It is the people of this region who did their level best in helping their Afghan brothers across the Durand Line. America is aware that until and unless she does not crush the Jihad loving Islamists of the tribal area or disenchant them from Islam, she cannot win the war in Afghanistan. That is why the Waziristan operation in 2003-4 which America conducted through Pak Army was an utter failure since there was no public opinion to support it, especially amongst the soldiers who were not prepared to kill their own Muslim brothers for the sake of America. As a result the government was forced to halt the military operation and sign a deal with Nek Muhammad, who was later martyred by American missile attack. This was enough for America to realize that unless the resistance is not discredited amongst the Pakistani people and the Armed Forces, she can never succeed in her objectives. Thus, American and Pakistani spy agencies started infiltrating the militants and did certain actions that would give a bad name to the resistance and make them unpopular. Later, according to a plan, the government of Pakistan allowed these “extremists” to openly establish training camps and launch radio stations. Moreover, they were allowed to recruit from masses as well as harass the population. In the mean time, the government intentionally weakened its grip allowing its writ to deplete and then started a powerful propaganda campaign in the media that extremists are challenging the writ of the state. They also propagated that the situation is so bad that extremists can actually capture Islamabad anytime. On the other hand, American spy agencies and mercenaries of Blackwater were given free rein in Pakistan resulting into Iraq style bombings in the cities. The sole purpose of which was to create public opinion for military operation in the tribal belt and its surrounding areas. Broadcasting the lashing video and airing the images of hundreds of destroyed schools was very effectively used to further infuriate the already angry people of Pakistan to an extent that voices calling or military operation started to come from all directions of Pakistan. This was the heinous plan undertaken by the Pakistani government which not only helped them to impose a brutal war on the Muslims of the frontier belt but they also succeeded in throwing the brave and fearless soldiers of Pak Army into this pit of fire under the pretext of Indian presence and involvement in the Tribal belt. If India is actually present in this area and meddling in our affairs then why doesn’t Pakistan bring these proofs on any of the international forums? Rather Pakistan is willing to go as humiliatingly low as possible in its endeavour to create brotherly relationship with India.

]]> By: usman http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-758998 usman Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:21:52 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-758998 This is the reality of ‘War of Terror’ whereby America is killing many birds with one stone. On the one hand America is engaging the jihad loving Muslims inside Pakistan thus preventing them from going to Afghanistan while on the other hand she is disenchanting the masses from Islam. Moreover, she is making Pak Army fight its own citizens so that they do not even think about their responsibility of kicking America out of this region. This is the reality of ‘War of Terror’ whereby America is killing many birds with one stone. On the one hand America is engaging the jihad loving Muslims inside Pakistan thus preventing them from going to Afghanistan while on the other hand she is disenchanting the masses from Islam. Moreover, she is making Pak Army fight its own citizens so that they do not even think about their responsibility of kicking America out of this region.

]]> By: Hassan http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-758929 Hassan Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:37:07 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-758929 Miss Nazia!! you must study something about counter insurgency / terrorism / Low Intensity Conflicts / Asymmetrical warfare. Moreover, you also must go in detail the American defeat in Vietnam and more importantly why Israel despite all her powers has failed to stop the suicide bombings and attack. If you read all these, you just might wake up from the dream land that you seem to live in Ma'am!! Miss Nazia!! you must study something about counter insurgency / terrorism / Low Intensity Conflicts / Asymmetrical warfare. Moreover, you also must go in detail the American defeat in Vietnam and more importantly why Israel despite all her powers has failed to stop the suicide bombings and attack. If you read all these, you just might wake up from the dream land that you seem to live in Ma’am!!

]]> By: Hassan http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-758921 Hassan Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:34:02 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-758921 The Indians coming here at this blog and posting comments, pretty silly ones actually, manifests the danger they fear if the wrath of ISI were to turn to them. However, they arn't realizing that a country that is actively participating in funding insurgencies and pumping terrorists in NWFP and Baluchistan, doesn't have the moral right to point fingers at others. What you are doing to the Muslims in India is also going to explode sooner or later. See you then, janitors!!! The Indians coming here at this blog and posting comments, pretty silly ones actually, manifests the danger they fear if the wrath of ISI were to turn to them. However, they arn’t realizing that a country that is actively participating in funding insurgencies and pumping terrorists in NWFP and Baluchistan, doesn’t have the moral right to point fingers at others. What you are doing to the Muslims in India is also going to explode sooner or later. See you then, janitors!!!

]]> By: Rizwan http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-758828 Rizwan Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:39:53 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-758828 Vikram, Please share this evidence that the AUS gov't has about a minister ordering the murder of these engineers. Don't you think that if some Indian knows about this, that the Australian media does too? Wouldnt there be outrage in AUS, which would inevitably lead to a diplomatic row?? Please don't post nonsense, and don't try to appeal to Pakhtun identity by talking about the army beating Pakhtuns. Us Pakhtanuh are well aware of what your army does in Kashmir/Punjab/Assam/Mizoram/Nagaland/Tripura/Naxalbari... Vikram,

Please share this evidence that the AUS gov’t has about a minister ordering the murder of these engineers. Don’t you think that if some Indian knows about this, that the Australian media does too? Wouldnt there be outrage in AUS, which would inevitably lead to a diplomatic row?? Please don’t post nonsense, and don’t try to appeal to Pakhtun identity by talking about the army beating Pakhtuns. Us Pakhtanuh are well aware of what your army does in Kashmir/Punjab/Assam/Mizoram/Nagaland/Tripura/Naxalbari…

]]> By: Rizwan http://www.pkhope.com/the-chain-of-events-now-the-attack-on-ghq/comment-page-1/#comment-758817 Rizwan Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:34:37 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/?p=17279#comment-758817 To Indians such as "William Donlon," I never have understood why you post under western names? Does a white-persons name lend you credibility? No Westerner has ever referred to the ISI as "ISI Muslims." Thats clearly a Hindu nationalist term. To Indians such as “William Donlon,”

I never have understood why you post under western names? Does a white-persons name lend you credibility? No Westerner has ever referred to the ISI as “ISI Muslims.” Thats clearly a Hindu nationalist term.

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