Comments on: Some Sell Outs Sufi ‘Muslims’ In Washington http://www.pkhope.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/ A Candid Blog Thu, 24 May 2012 20:30:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Arisha http://www.pkhope.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/comment-page-1/#comment-12219 Arisha Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:36:06 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/#comment-12219 The headline of this post is eye catching. But why are the people Kami does not agree with "Sell-outs"? Why is a stock broker who lives in Washington DC and writes for fun not a sell out? After all he is also earning his living from US system? Shaikh Kabbani and Prof haqqani have their opinions and beliefs. Kami can disagree with them. but there is not one way to lead or serve Muslim interests. Just because Kami's way and other people's way is different does not make anyone "Sell-out". It is time to stop doing this accusation of sell out against anyone we do not agree. The headline of this post is eye catching. But why are the people Kami does not agree with “Sell-outs”? Why is a stock broker who lives in Washington DC and writes for fun not a sell out? After all he is also earning his living from US system?

Shaikh Kabbani and Prof haqqani have their opinions and beliefs. Kami can disagree with them. but there is not one way to lead or serve Muslim interests. Just because Kami’s way and other people’s way is different does not make anyone “Sell-out”.

It is time to stop doing this accusation of sell out against anyone we do not agree.

]]> By: Arisha http://www.pkhope.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/comment-page-1/#comment-12216 Arisha Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:30:43 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/#comment-12216 By repeating mention of new Pakistan ambassador to U.S. Prof. Hussain Haqqani, Kami is obviously trying to get his attention. Otherwise what is the need for talking of Kami's conversations with Haqqani of which there is no evidence. only Haqqani would know what was said or Kami and Haqqani would probably not remember because he is impirtnat man who has many converstaions in many places. The way to really argue is to quote Shaikh Kabbani and Prof Haqqani from their many published works and criticize their arguments if kami disagrees with them. Other than that, it is just attention getting without any real substance. By repeating mention of new Pakistan ambassador to U.S. Prof. Hussain Haqqani, Kami is obviously trying to get his attention. Otherwise what is the need for talking of Kami’s conversations with Haqqani of which there is no evidence. only Haqqani would know what was said or Kami and Haqqani would probably not remember because he is impirtnat man who has many converstaions in many places.

The way to really argue is to quote Shaikh Kabbani and Prof Haqqani from their many published works and criticize their arguments if kami disagrees with them. Other than that, it is just attention getting without any real substance.

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/comment-page-1/#comment-12143 Aftab S. Alam Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:21:57 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/#comment-12143 "Then I stated to him that anybody, including him and me, is protected equally under the U.S. constitution in the States" What you said is correct. However, it holds as long as you are faithful to the : Oath of Allegiance that you have taken by choice. Even your religion whatever that is (you claim above that you "never bother to understand") would expect from you and all believers to be honest when take an oath. And the Oath you took is: Oath of Allegiance “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.” So help him God, please, and keep him from hurting Islam and Muslims !! “Then I stated to him that anybody, including him and me, is protected equally under the U.S. constitution in the States”

What you said is correct. However, it holds as long as you are faithful to the : Oath of Allegiance that you have taken by choice. Even your religion whatever that is (you claim above that you “never bother to understand”) would expect from you and all believers to be honest when take an oath. And the Oath you took is: Oath of Allegiance

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”

So help him God, please, and keep him from hurting Islam and Muslims !!

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/comment-page-1/#comment-12097 Aftab S. Alam Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:18:50 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/#comment-12097 Kami Butt: You are trying hard to be recognized by someone, anyone anywherein, Pakistan or USA as a useful and talented individual. Which you might well be; the route you have chosen is little less favoravle. People who think they must demolish others first before they have a chance to move on are basically ill advised. Nothing positive can develope on the basis of only nagative thoughts. You must find yourself what they taught you in the basic course in Marketing (in the Business School), remember the concept "Market Niche"? Find it for yourself and it will be fine. Stop this adverse talks about others, negative advertising only hurts an unknown entity (Commoditty / product). Your this attempt at populism is hurting your own cause. Your readers are taking your message as Anti American propaganda, which can hardly be your goal. After all you have taken an oath which reads: “Being a Pakistani-American” Kami you have taken following Oath: Oath of Allegiance for Naturalized Citizens Oath of Allegiance The oath of allegiance is: “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.” Kami Butt: You are trying hard to be recognized by someone, anyone anywherein, Pakistan or USA as a useful and talented individual. Which you might well be; the route you have chosen is little less favoravle. People who think they must demolish others first before they have a chance to move on are basically ill advised. Nothing positive can develope on the basis of only nagative thoughts. You must find yourself what they taught you in the basic course in Marketing (in the Business School), remember the concept “Market Niche”? Find it for yourself and it will be fine. Stop this adverse talks about others, negative advertising only hurts an unknown entity (Commoditty / product). Your this attempt at populism is hurting your own cause. Your readers are taking your message as Anti American propaganda, which can hardly be your goal. After all you have taken an oath which reads:

“Being a Pakistani-American” Kami you have taken following Oath:

Oath of Allegiance for Naturalized Citizens

Oath of Allegiance

The oath of allegiance is:

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”

]]> By: jusathot http://www.pkhope.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/comment-page-1/#comment-12078 jusathot Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:55:54 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/#comment-12078 When lies make into truths Is when folks dwell on untruths Muslim neo-cons are a wishy-washy lot Their assignment is to create fitna and rot When lies make into truths

Is when folks dwell on untruths

Muslim neo-cons are a wishy-washy lot

Their assignment is to create fitna and rot

]]> By: NKhan http://www.pkhope.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/comment-page-1/#comment-12072 NKhan Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:52:00 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/some-sell-outs-sufi-muslims-in-washington/#comment-12072 kami for your information the documentary “Islam vs. the Islamists" is based on the work of Hussain Haqqani, the nominated ambassador for US. Atcually he the right hand of Daniel pipes, a well known fascist ne-cons. Actually Hussain Haqqani and Salman of Janun band and many like these two guys are paid for this work. kami for your information the documentary “Islam vs. the Islamists” is based on the work of Hussain Haqqani, the nominated ambassador for US. Atcually he the right hand of Daniel pipes, a well known fascist ne-cons. Actually Hussain Haqqani and Salman of Janun band and many like these two guys are paid for this work.

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