Rashid Qureshi, Where is Merit in the Army Then?
By Ali Yar Khan • Jun 5th, 2008 • Category: Politics • 17 CommentsLt Gen (R) Jamshaid Gulzar Kiyani on the Geo TV programme ‘Meray Mutabiq’ has done some stunning revelation about the Pervez Musharraf, the retired general who became President of Pakistan in full uniform through a pack of lotas and turncoats, and wants to stick to the throne no matter how much mud is slung on him. He seems to be enjoying the mud and the dirt.
Presidential Spokesman Maj Gen (retd) Rashid Qureshi, who would perhaps also go into the grave with Musharraf has earned his salt and have done some more revelations. He has complained that there was a time in the last eight or so years, when Lt Gen (R) Jamshaid Gulzar Kiyani was loyal to Pervez Musharraf and hence he was posted on some really lucrative and power posts like including corps commander and chairman Federal Public Service Commission, and now he has become a pawn in the hands of others for some ulterior motives.
Now that is stunning. Rashid Qureshi has basically insulted the lofty institution of the Army. In the Army, a person is not employed or loyal to any other person. How come Lt Gen (R) Jamshaid Gulzar Kiyani was loyal to Musharraf and was serving his vested interests? Why Musharraf allowed that as a professional soldier? Doesn’t it insult the Army and its professionalism?
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I am sure the retired Kayani has been promised ambassadorship somewhere by the opponents of Musharraf. From the interview, the only impressive thing about Kayani was his haircut. And as he himself states that he is an infantry man. And only in this country are infantry men given so much importance. We all know that those who could not get admission anywhere, go the army! Sir…yes sir, no sir is all that are aware of.
We have to accept this reality that our army generals have actually turned this sacred institution into mafia group and most generals act here as don of country.Their lavish life styles,their casual attitude towards law and civilian infrastructure and suprerority complex about uniform are quite obvious and they just want to continue this mode of governance through the power of gun here.
100% agreed with comment # 2
miss nazia u have not knowldge about army ok so dont………………again plz
ok tell what kind of special knowledge you have about army. come on. I have knowledge and I’m endorsing her comment too… please come and argue with me.
I also agree with Nazia, and I can vouch for her. Want to know more, just read my book.
Or read this….
The politics of Military’s Economy in Pakistan
Dr Ayesha Siddiqa Agha, Interview by Irshad Saleem
Dr Ayesha Siddiqa did her doctorate from King’s College, London in 1996 and has worked on issues varying from military expenditure, defence decision-making, nuclear deterrence, arms procurement, arms production to civil-military relations in South Asia. She is also a Ford Fellow and more recently Pakistan Scholar at t he Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars.
Here is an interview for despardes.com Dr. Ayesha Siddiqa about her book she is working on “Military Inc, The Politics of Military’s Economy in Pakistan”.
Question: So what is this book about?
Dr. Siddiqa: This book is about military business operations with a case study of Pakistan.
Question: So what prompted you to write this book?
Dr. Siddiqa: I was a civil servant. During the course of my work I had to deal with numbers of military spending and doing that one slowly realized that a lot was hidden. It is the search for numbers that took me in this direction. The other thing is that it is essential to understand the dynamics of the institution that virtually controls Pakistan’s past, present and future.
Question: Ok, so who did you work for as a civil servant?
Dr. Siddiqa: I joined the civil service in 1988 and left in 2001. Served in military accounts, defence audit and later the navy.
Question: Going back to the Pakistan army’s business, what are your findings?
Dr. Siddiqa: Several. First, the military has become predatory engaging in political and economic predation. Second, political predation is not complete without economic predation. Third, military has mutated into a separate class that shares interests with other members of the ruling elite. Finally, because the military protects its vested interests, it leads to alienation of the masses.
Question: When did all this start?
Dr. Siddiqa: It dates back to the early 1950s. The business ventures were started with the establishing of the first foundation called the Fauji Foundation in 1953. This was established with the war veteran’s rehabilitation fund of Rs. 18 million.
Question: Why do you consider forming Fauji Foundation a predatory step by the army?
Dr. Siddiqa: Listen you have to understand the concept. A politically strong entity that engages in political predation needs to feel economically or financially autonomous. This completes the picture of predation. The generals thought that they wanted to establish independent means of providing for their welfare and not depending on the civilians like it happened in India. The financial autonomy gradually created the logic for greater interest in political control.
Question: Give me one or two instances when the 1953 move swirled into predation.
Dr. Siddiqa: It started right then with Ayub Khan and his cabal getting agricultural land and establishing independent means for themselves.Look at Ayub Khan. He not only got several squares of agricultural land in Sindh, he also established his sons into business. Look at the entire lot of generals at the moment. A Major General has a legal worth of about Rs. 300 million [Rs. 30 crores]. These are conservative estimates.
Question: Going back to Pakistan army’s economic superpower…What percentage of the GDP and GNP is it?
Dr. Siddiqa: This is difficult to calculate but their own estimates are about 4 % of GDP. I would say that their share in private sector assets is about 7-10 percent of private sector assets. This is a large number for any single group.
Question: Can you translate that into crores?
Dr. Siddiqa: 7-10 percent of private sector assets cannot be translated but I can give you another figure: They are worth about Rs. 200 billion. It is just the business. If you put in real estate then we are talking about a Rs 1 trillion plus economy.
Question: You mean Pakistan army’s side economy?
Dr. Siddiqa: Yes. This includes real estate, businesses done by subsidiaries, organizations and individuals. You have to understand that this economy is predatory by nature because it does not accept any form of civilian control over it. It is independent in terms of planning, appropriation of funds, etc.
Question: If Pakistan army’s assets total Rs 1 trillion can they fund Pakistan’s annual budget wholly or partially if they have to?
Dr. Siddiqa: This would, converting these resources into liquid assets and then it would be possible to pay. A lot of these resources are state resources that could provide for military expenditure and more. It is difficult to say that this money would fund the entire budget. Of course, it can but over what period? These assets were acquired over time and their value should be added to the annual defence budget.
Question: What was the defence budget for the year 2001?
Dr. Siddiqa: 131 billion. If you add these numbers the budget would escalate to over Rs. 400 billion
Question: When you left in 2001 how many generals, etc were there who form the command structure of Pakistan forces?
Dr. Siddiqa: Brigadier and up would be a few hundred.
Question: So if we assume 100 then 100 times 300 million = 30 billion is the legal worth of army’s command structure correct?
Dr. Siddiqa: it is more but don’t get into these fancy numbers… Plus the higher you go the more pricy you become. A full general is worth Rs 500 million [Rs. 50 crores] plus.
Question: How much land does the forces own in each province?
Dr. Siddiqa: Difficult to bifurcate but to give you a taste - they own about 7-9 million acres in Punjab alone
Question: What percentage is it of whole of Punjab?
Dr. Siddiqa: I am still trying to figure this out. It is not an issue of what percentage is this of Punjab but that a major portion of state land is appropriated by one group
Question: What about Sindh?
Dr. Siddiqa: My sense is that it is less in Sindh
Question: Why is that?
Dr. Siddiqa: Most of the land is around the 2 barrages constructed after independence. Because they didn’t make new barrages.
Question: What is their modus operandi in getting these lands allotment?
Dr. Siddiqa: 10 % of land, according to the 1912 Colonization of Land Act, is allotted to the military
Question: 10% everywhere?
Dr. Siddiqa: Yes it would be everywhere land is found. Colonization of land refers to each land reclaimed due to creation of water channels and other irrigation projects. However, they tend to get more in Punjab
Question: Does India have this act too?
Dr. Siddiqa: No. They got rid of such acts when they did land reforms. Remember India is a state moving towards capitalism. A capitalist state would not create means for institutionalizing feudalism
Question: Are you saying Pakistan army has institutionalized feudalism?
Dr. Siddiqa: I am saying that it is a feudal institution as well
Question: So in that case their interests converge with feudal system correct?
Dr. Siddiqa: Yes
Question: Do you think they resisted land reform along with the feudal?
Dr. Siddiqa: I wouldn’t say that they resisted but they had sufficient stakes not to pursue a policy that had a negative impact on their benefits. For example, who buys the land the Faujis sell? The local feudal or the new rural capitalist class that is equally feudal in nature. Why should the officers then try to destroy the class that bails them out financially. After 1999, generals have started to keep their lands
Question: What happened after 1999
Dr. Siddiqa: Since the value of land has gone up, especially after 9/11, generals now keep lands and have turned into absentee land lords
Question: Why did the value of land in Pakistan go up after 9/11
Dr. Siddiqa: Because of the money that started to flow in from Pakistani expatriates plus other Muslim countries
Question: What is their modus operandi in getting these lands allotted to generals individually and to their housing societies collectively?
Dr. Siddiqa: The provincial governments allot the land to the Ministry of Defence who then gives the land to the three services for further dispersal. The land is also given to the Jawans but the quantity is lesser than what is given to the senior officers. Plus, the generals get greater facilities in making the land cultivable.
Question: All this is based on 1912 colonization of land act that India got rid of and Pakistan still has?
Dr. Siddiqa: Yes, but they have done alterations as well. For instance, the act does not say that land meant for operational purpose be appropriated for personal use. It is against the law
Question: Are you saying that land meant for operational purposes are or have been appropriated to the generals for personal use or to the housing societies?
Dr. Siddiqa: Of course. All land in the cities is military land turned into housing colonies
Question: What is the conclusion of your book?
Dr. Siddiqa: Simple: The political leadership in Pakistan has to negotiate the military’s gradual withdrawal from the economy if they want democratic institutions to grow
Question: At what value does the army buy land?
Dr. Siddiqa: Between Rs. 30-60 per acre. In some cases they pay more. This refers to the private housing schemes
Question: You mean in Defence Society in Karachi, the army gets land from the provincial govt for 30 to 60 rupees an acre only?
Dr. Siddiqa: There are 2 methods for getting land. All the military land converted for personal use is given at the ridiculous price I quoted. Then there are other schemes where they pay a little more. For instance, the Cantonment Board distributed plots of 500 yards each by appropriating part of the parking lot of the Karachi stadium. Each plot was for about Rs 600,000
Question: What was the fair market value of each plot at that time?
Dr. Siddiqa: One and a half crore
Question: Who got these plots?
Dr. Siddiqa: Generals. The bulk goes to generals. This was done by General Tauqeer Zia. As Chairman Cricket Control Board he authorized himself to return this land that once belonged to the Cantonment Board for further distribution
Question: Any more instances of such land grabbing?
Dr. Siddiqa: The entire Lahore Cantonment was turned into housing schemes. In fact, except for Defence phase I & II (Lahore), the rest of the land does not even belong to the military
Question: How many acres is Lahore Cantonment, if you know?
Dr. Siddiqa: About 8000 to 10,000.
Question: What is its fair market worth now
Dr. Siddiqa: Runs into billions. It should be around Rs. 700 billion
Question: What was the “grabbing price”
Dr. Siddiqa: As I said, Rs. 30-60. This is the rate that officers pay.
Saleem Khan, we also have the honour of interviewing Dr. Ayesha Siddiqa.
http://www.pakspectator.com/interview-with-dr-ayesha-siddiqa-agha/
regards
Asim Ali says “We all know that those who could not get admission anywhere, go the army!”
With all due respect to everyone, I tend to agree with the comment. When I look back to my class of SSC and HSC, top students in the class either went to Medical or Engineering colleges during late 70’s and early 80’s.
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I am daughter of ex army officer,worked in army organisation and right now living under the nose of most corrupt working generals.Now you need more information regarding these so called patriots from me?
Nazia: “….right now living under the nose of most corrupt working generals.”
Wow!
Now that is some privilege!
As far as the corruption debate is concerned, please remember that Army Generals are part of the same population as all other Pakistanis. They are as corrupt as politicians, bureaucrats, civilians, and others. Corruption is in the system and unless we make drastic changes to the system - who ever gets the authority and power will abuse it.
Corruption is way of life in Pakistan and it is common among all classes and strata. A Pakistani child opens his eyes and lives through in an intolerant and intolerable environment and this is exactly how he closes his eyes to leave this “wonderful” environment to, hopefully, find peace - finally.
We provide almost 3 billion dollars to the armed forces annually and the Chief of Army says, ‘Our defense is impregnable’ Well Duhhhhh…..after spending billions and billions of dollars on defence, a nation with no electricity, no health care, no education, no wheat, has an impregnable defense. Defense from what is what i ask? And then one fine day, we hear that they have tested a missile. While we sit in the dark, i cant decide on what to rejoice on, the missile test or the impregnable defense!
The most dedicated and patriotic Gen Pervez Musharraf. For whom I can give my entire life. I love him since he loves Pakistan.
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN……..LONG LIVE PAKISTAN ARMED FORCES
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Pakistan ISI and Army are sleeping ………….when India burned and cut our muslim brothers in Gujrat massacre……..
when Army Intelligence could tell President Ayub khan where the indian armoured division was in 65 War………… the head of Intelligence repleid to Ayub khan
Sir the intelligence has been given political responsibilities hence was unable to focus on India………..
that is the same case today…….. Army and ISI is so busy killing muslim pakistani brothers……. that they can not focus on India or other enemies of Pakistan………
these Pakistani channels are showing Indian Movies day and night ………. non stop………
pakistani dramas have become Indian photocopied dramas… e.g. copy of star plus dramas
Musharaf gave media in the hands of Dish Antenna Public …… who has no talent, they just know how to copy a drama from Strar plus and paste in pakistani channel
and our brave ISI and Army doesnt see that…………
if you talk to a 4 yrs old kid……….. he will sing indian song in a heart beat………..
but if you talk to a 20 yr old youngster………. he would not know a single speech of Quad-e-Azam… or Allama Iqbal…….
and our brave ISI and Army doesnt see that………..
they have sold the pakistan already………. and Army generals are included in the deal………