Press Conference of Ex-Servicemen Group (Lahore Chapter)
By Farid Masood • Jun 4th, 2008 • Category: Politics, Worth A Second Look • 23 CommentsToday, army ex-servicemen group appeared before media to present their a few points agenda of demands. The told that they have agreement over 8 ~ 10 points. The important points include:
- Impeachment of the President Musharraf and his court-marshal.
- Re-instatement of Judiciary on Nov 2, 2007.
- Kashmir policy must be revised as Musharraf’s policy has made damage to Kashmir Issue.
- Musharraf has no right to right-off any anything through NRO.
They also re-iterated their stance that neither they have any link with any of the political parties of present scene and nor they speak for their own benefit.
Major General (retd) Shafiq was of the view that Musharraf have uprooted the whole Pakistan with his damaging policies and he should be brought to Justice.
This ex-servicemen group of Pakistan army comprises of retired soldiers of Pakistan Army from the level of Generals down to sepoy, from Air Marshals to Airmen and from Naval Chiefs to smallest rank of navy.
Their demand is that President Musharraf must be impeached and should descend from the seat of President of Pakistan.
Yesterday, the National Assembly session remain troubled with slogans of ‘GO Musharraf Go’. Mrs Doultana said ‘the president should come out of his hide (army house) and leave the scene’.
The pressure is building but as General (Retd) Musharraf is a warrior and will not retreat at any cost.
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That is good. Ex Service men have to play their part and It is their view which will gather more support all around.
38 years of military service,multiple plots/agricultural field,deputations ,free genereal houses,2years choice post retirement job at lavish organisation,post retirement millions of casht,hroughout service variety of perks and emoluments.
chulloe ubb unglee kata ker shaheed hojaey……………..useless ex service men
all these exservice mens have BPH,benign prostatic hypertrophy.will need open prastatectomy.
Lobotomy will be another option to save them from their memories of betraying their nation and belated sense of guilt.
actually these generals have served and lived in army like a sugar cane machine,infact they have resorted and extracted even the last possible drop from mush, and now when they have realize that its still more to come vide mr nawaz they have again twisted the portfolio to make a new face .shame on these all time retired parasites, daily visiting CMHs to get few samples of drugs.shame on you respected sir.my name is capt razahaider .same retired fellow man
Someone should ask these generals who spent their lives in enjoyng perks, incentives and priveleges and could not dare to speak a word in support of Kashmiris freedom struggle bur that only Musharraf who took such a big step initiating Kargil War.
These generals has never done anything good for the country in their lives but now after the retirement they are dying hard to harm Pakistan just in the jealousy of one person who is more competent, sincere, dedicated and loving to his country.
Look this stupid Kiyani how he tried to ignite the issue of Lal mosque by false claim of using chemical weapons during Lal mosque operation. Can any logical and sincere Pakistan acknowldge his views with sincerety to the country.
Believe me, if any new suicide attack ever happen in Pakistan in the name of Lal mosque this scoundrel and his masters (who paid him the money ) will be hold responsible
These retired general must read and understan what Salman Taseer has said about them today and if they have a little shame left in their eyes they must stay at home and pray ‘ISTAKHFAR’ for their sins.
Was Musharraf started that war for himself or for Pakistan? What benefits has he achieved by this war? According to that mean Kiyani (Retired General ), ‘we have caught India from the jugular vein in Kargil war’ but Alas! Our own people are disgracing and humiliating Musharraf.This is the character of our retd. generals. These are the lions of the paper and tongues.
What Musharraf did in case of Lal mosque (which was not a mosque at the time of operation because of full scale combat from both sides) was for his own benefit or for the country and nation’s benefit.
If there was no operation on Lal mosque believe every small or big mosque has turned out to be Lal mosque by now
I think only stupids on this blog will agree that what jahil mullahs of Lal mosque (who had never learnt social sciences or international politics or foreign policy of the country) were doing the right things even if one sees them from religious point of view.
Burning of environmental ministry building, kidnapping of Chinese citzens, illegal occupation of govt. land for extension of Jamia Hafsa, occupation of children’s library and roaming around with guns around Islamabad. Where is all this in Islam?
About operation in FATA, I will repeat the same thing.
“The best thing in the interest of Pakistan is not to interfere in any country’s internal affairs officially or unofficially, remove all the foreigners from the area or get them registered with the govt. agency.
Destroy all the training camps from these areas and let allow the Pakistani law prevail everywhere in Pakistan.
That’s what Musharraf trying to do and there is nothing wrong in it but STUPIDS takes this simple message on to their nerves and ready to kill their own people and own army, for the sake of others.’
And the worst thing is some ignorant people are misleading people on this simple issue.
A person who was harming to the country and the country’s interest must be missing. That’s the least punishment he must get. I have no one in my family, freinds, local community or in far flung relatives anybody missing. Why? its easy to understand for anyone.
As far as Salim Khan is concerned, he has increased my knowledge sharing his habits (A dog’s habit) in fact with everyone on this blog. I really didn’t know much about dogs but a dog can only expressed himself with such an authenticity if he ever get a tongue like Salim Khan’s.
I thank Salim from other reader of this blog for this good information about dogs.
I think all of these ex-srvicemen should be court martialed for Pakistan’s humiliating defeat during 1971 Indo-Pak war; as most of them were very much part and parcel of the Pakistan Army during this period.
Shameless Ex-servicemen.
If I was an Army personnel at that time, I would hide my face from the nation for the rest of my life.
They are NANG-E-WATAN, COWARD, INFIDEL and BEIGHERAT persons; would die in such circumstances that none available to shoulder their cofffins. INSHA ALLAH
Pakistan was breaking into pieces in front of them and they were seeing all this with criminal silence.
That was the biggest crime of the human history.
I SALUTE SALMAN TASEER ON HIS COURAGE FOR SHOWING TRUE FACE TO THESE BE-SHARAM EX-SERVICEMEN
Can someone, please, let me read / provide what Salman Taseer has said?
It was the Kashmir policy that guaranteed perks for these guys and they want it revived… Once again they only prove to themselves to be self serving….
Amazing, they still think they have a God given right to steer the nation in the “right” direction. These guys are clones coming from the same mold…
Dr Razahaider
you are mostly right
Aashique of Musharraf
well said for the first time
‘Shameless Ex-servicemen’
Great great great… First time in history Aashique of Mushi, Aftab and Dr raza haider vomit out what they were controlling since they started visiting this blog. This is a thing. I’m against Generals since first day. Either its Ex servicemen or service men or Dictators. They all bringed Pakistan to this situation. I often raised same question as Dr. Raza haider today wrote that they are getting billions of privileges and jobs for whole whole families in Gotv. depts and in Army too. They are controlling whole Pakistan.
We stupid Civilians feels good by abusing on provinces. actually there are 2 groups in Pakistan ( No Provincial Groups) one is ESTABLISHMENT ( MILITARY + CIVIL SERVICE) and other is INNOCENT PAKISTANIS. Just take out any example and you will find involvement of this Establishment in crisis. But we fool only puts allegations on each others. and few of us even supports them for personal benefits. Establishment don’t have deep roots and one big blow of civilians can throw them away from Pakistan.
I’m since first day crying that Kashmir matter won’t solve, won’t solve because Military is getting all incentives on the name of Kashmir. Just imagine if we don’t have any issue with our neighbours..will we recommend to pay trillions of money to ARMY…No way. Even today, we have missiles and Atomic Bombs but Military is not willing to decrease its busget and using whole budget in making South Punjab land leveled for distributing in Generals and brigadiers. Its true and fact. Musharraf opened ne canal in that region and mentions in speeches often but I tell you that this canal is only for lands of these generals and brigadiers.
Please ” Hosh K Nakhun Loo”… They are sucking us like parasites. Just visit Islamabad Govt offices and you will find majority retired officers working there and if you will find and civilians that will be daughter or son of these officers too. I have very good observation and knows how they are eating us. Musharraf is one of them…not farishta.
You often says that Punjab is taking Kala Bagh Dam as life but its not true. The area that was going to be irrigated from that dam was south punjab and north sind. and on other hand, maximum south land and north sind is occupied by same Generals… more over couple of years back, Musharraf announced that we will surely build it because all generals were requesting him for that. The land prices got so much high after that announcement as it is in central Punjab. but I hope now it have gone down by this new decision. Lot of games are going there. But I hope now civilians will think sensibly because in last 9 years Army ( Specially Army) has been exposed a lot. They looted whole Pakistan with both hands.
Dear Aftab - Per your request, here is the link to Salman Taseer’s statement. I couldn’t cut and paste English version since it does not provide the same details (for e.g. reference to General Gul Hameed)
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jun2008-daily/04-06-2008/update.htm#108
dear all ,please correct your self sir,i have only criticised those generals who are working on portfolio of mr nawaz sharif,rest of retired generals are my blue eyed
It means you are only targetting Nawaz Sharif. You are not against establishment. Great. I was also amazed that how few people can get senses in just few minutes.
No body is working on any portfolio. It is voice of change. People have started telling truth and publically. It was time when Mushi sent Javed Hashimi in Prison for 7 years on just one Press Conference about truth but today he is hiding behind bushes when his own companions started telling truth.. Daaiir Aai per drust aaiii.
In your opinion,
Dr. A.Q.Khan is liar,
Civil Society is liar,
Lawyers are liars,
PMLN is liar,
75% PPP workers/leards are lair,
Students are Liar,
Doctors are Liar,
Media is Liar ( only when they showed Mushi his actual face),
Professional Bodies are Liar,
Ex Servicemen are Liar ( who were part of same Army),
Serving Army is Liar ( They are also Against illegal steps of Mushi),
Ejaz Ul Haq is Liar,
Wasi Zafar is Liar (when he told true story about 9 march 2007),
All deposed Judges are Liar,
All Pakistanis who gave vote against Mushi are Liars.
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..
..
..
Who is true???
Mr. Naked Musharraf ( He already claimed that Wardi meri Khall hai…jo aab uss per nahee rahee) is true
MQM is true,
Few PMLQ workers are true.
But with due sorry…truths are coming out one by one. We all want Kargil issue to be discussed and interrogate openly (Only Mushi is not in favor…agar insaan sacha ho to who kaheen per bhee interrogation k liya tayar hota hai…phir who Chohay ki tarah kion chupta phir raha hai)
We want open dicussion on A.Q.Khan issue…why Mushi tried to keep it press for 6 yrs (reason is only one…Army was directly involved in it during Zia Ul haq Time)…
Why Mushi not wanted to take 12 May 2007 case in Courts… (reason is clear…how criminal can afford it himself for trial)
Why Mushi not supported jamia Hifza open trial….
Why they kept 18 days Kurfew in G-6 Islamabad during severe bombing and killing of innocent girls in Jamia Hifza… and not allowed a single man to see their so called fair attack.
Why Mushi is not coming out of Army House… Ask him to come out and face us.
I think you takes Mushi words as GOD’s Words ( Naauz billah) becasue you never accepts truth, regardless of facts and figures but believes in Mushi words (real 3rd class man) even more blindly than Allah’s Words.
These blind and duffer white elepahants are just a burden on the shoulders of fragile Pakistan.I am very surpriesd by our system of army and bureacrats that their national spirit or awareness arise near or after their retirement age.Through out their tenure they run for the best for them and their families and at the last era of their age they start thinking of national interests.Really this late birth of national spirit to our manpower is very dangerous trend for a developing nation.Now the general should know the level of their IQ and talent that only comes out at last age where one can say is useless for one’s nation..
باتیں جنرل جمشید گلزار کیانی کی
وجاہت مسعود
تجزیہ کار
اس ضمن میں کارگل آپریشن، طیارہ سازش کیس، گمشدہ افراد، کراچی میں 12مئی 2007 کے واقعات، لال مسجد آپریشن اور تین
نومبر 2007ء کو عبوری آئینی حکم کے تحت 1973ء کا دستور معطل کرنے جیسے معاملات کا ذکر کیا جا رہا ہے۔ اتفاق سے لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی کے مذکورہ انٹرویو میں بھی 12مئی کے خونریز واقعات کا ذکر چھوڑ کر، جن میں کراچی کی ایک لسانی تنظیم پر ملوث ہونے کے الزامات زبان زدِ عام ہیں، کم و بیش اِنہی نکات پر زور دیا گیا۔ مزید اتفاق یہ کہ انٹرویو نشر ہونے کے دوسرے ہی روز کراچی میں جماعت اسلامی کے درجنوں کارکن اِس انٹرویو کی ریکارڈنگ پر مبنی سی ڈیز 12روپے میں فروخت کر رہے تھے۔
لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی 1999 میں کارگل آپریشن کے دوران آئی ایس آئی کے اعلیٰ عہدیدار تھے۔ 12 اکتوبر 1999 کی کامیاب فوجی بغاوت کے فوراً بعد دسویں کور کے کمانڈر بنائے گئے۔ ریٹائرمنٹ کے بعد 2004 میں وفاقی پبلک سروس کمیشن کے سربراہ بنائے گئے۔ نومبر 2007 میں صدر پرویز مشرف نے عبوری آئینی حکم کے تحت آئین میں ترمیم کر کے فیڈرل پبلک سروس کمیشن کے سربراہ کی میعاد پانچ برس کے بجائے تین برس کر دی چنانچہ لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی کو سبکدوش ہونا پڑا۔ لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید گلزار کیانی راولپنڈی کے قریب ایک گاؤں سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں اور جنرل اشفاق پرویز کیانی کے رشتہ دار نہیں ہیں۔ تاہم فوج کی پیشہ وارانہ دنیا میں جالندھر گروپ کی طرح کیانی نیٹ ورک جیسی اصطلاحات عام استعمال کی جاتی ہیں۔
سیاسی مبصرین نے مذکورہ انٹرویو میں یہ بات خاص طور پر محسوس کی کہ لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی بیشتر نکات پر مسلم لیگ (نواز ) کے سیاسی نقطۂ نظر سے ہم آہنگ تھے۔ پیپلز پارٹی کا ذکر نہ ہونے کے برابر تھا۔ اپنی گفتگو میں لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی کے الفاظ کا انتخاب واضح طور پر سوچا سمجھا تھا۔ متعدد مقامات پر تو اُنہوں نے ڈاکٹر شاہد مسعود کے سوال کو قریب قریب نظر انداز کرتے ہوئے اپنی بات جاری رکھی۔ بظاہر ایک سیدھے سادھے فوجی کے دو ٹوک لب و لہجے کے باوجود اُن کے خیالات سے تہہ دار نتائج اخذ کیے جاسکتے ہیں۔
BBC News Urdu Service
Now its very easy to understand who has pid money to this Shameless person, who didn’t even care Pakistan Army ethos and pretige in leakinf secrets.
باتیں جنرل جمشید گلزار کیانی کی
وجاہت مسعود
تجزیہ کار
اس ضمن میں کارگل آپریشن، طیارہ سازش کیس، گمشدہ افراد، کراچی میں 12مئی 2007 کے واقعات، لال مسجد آپریشن اور تین
نومبر 2007ء کو عبوری آئینی حکم کے تحت 1973ء کا دستور معطل کرنے جیسے معاملات کا ذکر کیا جا رہا ہے۔ اتفاق سے لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی کے مذکورہ انٹرویو میں بھی 12مئی کے خونریز واقعات کا ذکر چھوڑ کر، جن میں کراچی کی ایک لسانی تنظیم پر ملوث ہونے کے الزامات زبان زدِ عام ہیں، کم و بیش اِنہی نکات پر زور دیا گیا۔ مزید اتفاق یہ کہ انٹرویو نشر ہونے کے دوسرے ہی روز کراچی میں جماعت اسلامی کے درجنوں کارکن اِس انٹرویو کی ریکارڈنگ پر مبنی سی ڈیز 12روپے میں فروخت کر رہے تھے۔
لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی 1999 میں کارگل آپریشن کے دوران آئی ایس آئی کے اعلیٰ عہدیدار تھے۔ 12 اکتوبر 1999 کی کامیاب فوجی بغاوت کے فوراً بعد دسویں کور کے کمانڈر بنائے گئے۔ ریٹائرمنٹ کے بعد 2004 میں وفاقی پبلک سروس کمیشن کے سربراہ بنائے گئے۔ نومبر 2007 میں صدر پرویز مشرف نے عبوری آئینی حکم کے تحت آئین میں ترمیم کر کے فیڈرل پبلک سروس کمیشن کے سربراہ کی میعاد پانچ برس کے بجائے تین برس کر دی چنانچہ لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی کو سبکدوش ہونا پڑا۔ لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید گلزار کیانی راولپنڈی کے قریب ایک گاؤں سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں اور جنرل اشفاق پرویز کیانی کے رشتہ دار نہیں ہیں۔ تاہم فوج کی پیشہ وارانہ دنیا میں جالندھر گروپ کی طرح کیانی نیٹ ورک جیسی اصطلاحات عام استعمال کی جاتی ہیں۔
سیاسی مبصرین نے مذکورہ انٹرویو میں یہ بات خاص طور پر محسوس کی کہ لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی بیشتر نکات پر مسلم لیگ (نواز ) کے سیاسی نقطۂ نظر سے ہم آہنگ تھے۔ پیپلز پارٹی کا ذکر نہ ہونے کے برابر تھا۔ اپنی گفتگو میں لیفٹیننٹ جنرل جمشید کیانی کے الفاظ کا انتخاب واضح طور پر سوچا سمجھا تھا۔ متعدد مقامات پر تو اُنہوں نے ڈاکٹر شاہد مسعود کے سوال کو قریب قریب نظر انداز کرتے ہوئے اپنی بات جاری رکھی۔ بظاہر ایک سیدھے سادھے فوجی کے دو ٹوک لب و لہجے کے باوجود اُن کے خیالات سے تہہ دار نتائج اخذ کیے جاسکتے ہیں۔
BBC News Urdu Service
Now its very easy to understand who has pid money to this Shameless person, who didn’t even care Pakistan Army ethos and pretige in leakinf secrets.