Comments on: Operation LionHeart http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/ A Candid Blog Thu, 24 May 2012 14:17:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-125168 Aftab S. Alam Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:14:17 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-125168 NKhan Sb, I am surprised that you find me so irrational ! I guess you and I see things diferently which is fine as I honestly do not think that difference means or should be considered deficient. Your generous offer of friendship is humbly accepted and I am honored by your this gesture. Having said that, let me just assure you, I never considered or thought of you as enemy of any kind. A misguided friend remains a friend and that's why a wound inflicted by a friend hurts more, much more. On supporting the US stand against the terrorists of all kinds irrespective of their caste and creed. Let me just say this in the shortest possible way. I am a realist. An enemy of my enemy is my friend and I do support and will support destruction of my enemies by any means necessary. I do not want that Pakistan and its people should be dictated to live a life of deprivations and sufferings simply because some Osama, some Zuwaheri, some Omar or anyone of such schoold of thought wishes so. They must fight their wars in their countries not in Pakistan. There are no ideological interests in this world it all boils down to the "haves and have nots" and I wish to see my country and my people not among the careers of that infamous 'bowl' anymore. Muslim of Saudi Arabia is different and so his thoughts, same with Egytian muslim or Malaysian, Morocco is a different world than Indonesia and it's about time that PAKISTANIS accept this and safegurad their and only their interest. We must choose our friends as it suits us not to some crazy mullah from some remote distance from middle of nowhere. Period. NKhan Sb, I am surprised that you find me so irrational ! I guess you and I see things diferently which is fine as I honestly do not think that difference means or should be considered deficient.

Your generous offer of friendship is humbly accepted and I am honored by your this gesture. Having said that, let me just assure you, I never considered or thought of you as enemy of any kind. A misguided friend remains a friend and that’s why a wound inflicted by a friend hurts more, much more.

On supporting the US stand against the terrorists of all kinds irrespective of their caste and creed. Let me just say this in the shortest possible way. I am a realist. An enemy of my enemy is my friend and I do support and will support destruction of my enemies by any means necessary. I do not want that Pakistan and its people should be dictated to live a life of deprivations and sufferings simply because some Osama, some Zuwaheri, some Omar or anyone of such schoold of thought wishes so. They must fight their wars in their countries not in Pakistan. There are no ideological interests in this world it all boils down to the “haves and have nots” and I wish to see my country and my people not among the careers of that infamous ‘bowl’ anymore. Muslim of Saudi Arabia is different and so his thoughts, same with Egytian muslim or Malaysian, Morocco is a different world than Indonesia and it’s about time that PAKISTANIS accept this and safegurad their and only their interest. We must choose our friends as it suits us not to some crazy mullah from some remote distance from middle of nowhere. Period.

]]> By: Nkhan http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-125155 Nkhan Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:44:15 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-125155 @ Salim Khan and Aftab Sb, Salim Khan wrote: "Our children are dying with hunger but people like NKhan are more worried about revenge and crusaders". No my friend I have never pushed to start a crusade. If you visit teeth, there I have been chasing a person Zaid Hamid. My nickname there is "talkhaba". Who is Zaid Hamid? He is the person who emotionalize the TV viewers due to his rhetoric about "Zionist" and "Hindus" I'm strictly against these slogans. We have the enemies with in us in our country. Our corrupt politicians are more danger than Zionists and extremist Hindus. But my friend I again request to read my post. I haven't pursued the readers to start a counter crusade. But don't have we the right to ask why an operation is named after the name of a crusader king? Aftab Sb wrote: "Pakistanis are not born and contractually under obligations to die for the entire Muslim world." I agree with you. I don't believe in the slogan of Muslim Ummah at all. Pakistan first. Okay. But what morals are behind becoming an ally of the world Terrorist # 1 US? Had US attacked china instead of Afghanistan, and Pakistan being on the side of US, I would have criticized the Pakistani regime with same tone. Leave a side the religion, who will support US and its attack inside Afghanistan or the FATA? What morals are supporting and providing logistic support to an oppressor who has violated not only the international laws but also his own state laws? I would also like to respond to one of your previous comment, wherein you have said that TPS is dominated by the Jihadies. You wrote: My response to NKhan just won’t be allowed by him or his kind of ‘Jihadis’ to come through. I suppose they have ‘hijacked’ this forum and this is the message - either tow their line or get out!” I have spent a few hours on reading most of the posts at TPS but didn’t find rational for your claim. If one or two rightists (and not Jihadi) has posted a few of their comments where two to three threads are added on daily basis what would be their ration? Wouldn’t you tolerate a person to start his thread/blog containing his point of view although this post of mine is just reporting and not analysis? Don’t be afraid my friend. The rightists haven’t learned how to use this technology yet. They will come here but the left liberal and supporter of supper powers still dominates all forums including this one. I extend my hands for friendship to you and hope that arguments and rationality will rule our friendship. We all are Pakistanis and love this country. Our thoughts are different but this difference should not part us away. We belong to the community of bloggers/citizen journalist and are trying to identify ourselves as journalist but making codes and ethics for ourselves. And for this we will to be gathering in Karachi soon. Would you fight there or making this society ready for disagreement for a positive change? Hope this time you will respond while presenting your argument by quoting my specific sentence in the above post and will let me know where in am wrong. @ Salim Khan and Aftab Sb,

Salim Khan wrote: “Our children are dying with hunger but people like NKhan are more worried about revenge and crusaders”. No my friend I have never pushed to start a crusade. If you visit teeth, there I have been chasing a person Zaid Hamid. My nickname there is “talkhaba”. Who is Zaid Hamid? He is the person who emotionalize the TV viewers due to his rhetoric about “Zionist” and “Hindus”

I’m strictly against these slogans. We have the enemies with in us in our country. Our corrupt politicians are more danger than Zionists and extremist Hindus. But my friend I again request to read my post. I haven’t pursued the readers to start a counter crusade. But don’t have we the right to ask why an operation is named after the name of a crusader king?

Aftab Sb wrote: “Pakistanis are not born and contractually under obligations to die for the entire Muslim world.” I agree with you. I don’t believe in the slogan of Muslim Ummah at all. Pakistan first. Okay. But what morals are behind becoming an ally of the world Terrorist # 1 US? Had US attacked china instead of Afghanistan, and Pakistan being on the side of US, I would have criticized the Pakistani regime with same tone. Leave a side the religion, who will support US and its attack inside Afghanistan or the FATA? What morals are supporting and providing logistic support to an oppressor who has violated not only the international laws but also his own state laws?

I would also like to respond to one of your previous comment, wherein you have said that TPS is dominated by the Jihadies. You wrote: My response to NKhan just won’t be allowed by him or his kind of ‘Jihadis’ to come through. I suppose they have ‘hijacked’ this forum and this is the message - either tow their line or get out!”

I have spent a few hours on reading most of the posts at TPS but didn’t find rational for your claim. If one or two rightists (and not Jihadi) has posted a few of their comments where two to three threads are added on daily basis what would be their ration? Wouldn’t you tolerate a person to start his thread/blog containing his point of view although this post of mine is just reporting and not analysis? Don’t be afraid my friend. The rightists haven’t learned how to use this technology yet. They will come here but the left liberal and supporter of supper powers still dominates all forums including this one.

I extend my hands for friendship to you and hope that arguments and rationality will rule our friendship. We all are Pakistanis and love this country. Our thoughts are different but this difference should not part us away.

We belong to the community of bloggers/citizen journalist and are trying to identify ourselves as journalist but making codes and ethics for ourselves. And for this we will to be gathering in Karachi soon. Would you fight there or making this society ready for disagreement for a positive change?

Hope this time you will respond while presenting your argument by quoting my specific sentence in the above post and will let me know where in am wrong.

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-124716 Aftab S. Alam Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:59:51 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-124716 Mr. NKhan, like I said above and I'll repeat. You have a right to think, say, and do what you think is right. Allow me the same rights, please. My issue with you is that you justify as truth such crackpot ideas being circulated, you try to emmotinalise the readers about the history of Crusades without elaborating its true cause. It was a war of interests, expansionism. This Richard was a maniac who neither cared about his people nor anyone else (greatest enemy of the Jewish people, too). What Salah-ud-Din Ayubi and King Richard did in the 12th. century is irrelavent now can not be allowed to dictate our thinking and actions today. We are responsible for our times like they were for theirs. For me, a single paisa spent on war machinery is one too many as I see too many of our children hungry and sick and uneducated without a roof on their heads. For me a single drop of blood of my people is cruel and cold blooded wastage. I really and honestly don't care what happend in that remote century between the two rulers; the ground reality today is that my muslim children are denied access to the basic human rights in the name of ideologies. Lets first provide them what they must have as humans, the very basics and then they will have times for ideologies. Like I said between selfpreservation and ideology; existence must come first. Wars and conflicts are themselves big human tragedies and problems how can they provide any solutions. By the way, I do have taste for nicer things in life like decent three meals and education and health care and comfortable home but I want equal opportunities for all to pursue them. I must agree with Saleem Khan above. Pakistanis are not born and contractually under obligations to die for the entire Muslim world. We have huge problems and where is this Muslim world, who really cares about our hardships. We have to wake up and be united and work for betterment of our people. Mr. NKhan, like I said above and I’ll repeat. You have a right to think, say, and do what you think is right. Allow me the same rights, please. My issue with you is that you justify as truth such crackpot ideas being circulated, you try to emmotinalise the readers about the history of Crusades without elaborating its true cause. It was a war of interests, expansionism. This Richard was a maniac who neither cared about his people nor anyone else (greatest enemy of the Jewish people, too). What Salah-ud-Din Ayubi and King Richard did in the 12th. century is irrelavent now can not be allowed to dictate our thinking and actions today. We are responsible for our times like they were for theirs. For me, a single paisa spent on war machinery is one too many as I see too many of our children hungry and sick and uneducated without a roof on their heads. For me a single drop of blood of my people is cruel and cold blooded wastage. I really and honestly don’t care what happend in that remote century between the two rulers; the ground reality today is that my muslim children are denied access to the basic human rights in the name of ideologies. Lets first provide them what they must have as humans, the very basics and then they will have times for ideologies. Like I said between selfpreservation and ideology; existence must come first. Wars and conflicts are themselves big human tragedies and problems how can they provide any solutions.

By the way, I do have taste for nicer things in life like decent three meals and education and health care and comfortable home but I want equal opportunities for all to pursue them.

I must agree with Saleem Khan above. Pakistanis are not born and contractually under obligations to die for the entire Muslim world. We have huge problems and where is this Muslim world, who really cares about our hardships. We have to wake up and be united and work for betterment of our people.

]]> By: Saleem Khan http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-124706 Saleem Khan Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:24:52 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-124706 Dear Aftab S Alam, This NKhan is not willing to display his full name but provoking other innocent people to stand up and fight.... Are Pakistanis left to fight in whole Muslim world. Is we are the guardian of every Muslim country borders. Already we have reached to the weakest level on the name of Jihad and religion. Is this our religion says... forget every thing and just fight and fight. We have paid unbearable opportunity cost already. Our children are dying with hunger but people like NKhan are more worried about revenge and crusaders. Dear Aftab S Alam,

This NKhan is not willing to display his full name but provoking other innocent people to stand up and fight….

Are Pakistanis left to fight in whole Muslim world. Is we are the guardian of every Muslim country borders. Already we have reached to the weakest level on the name of Jihad and religion. Is this our religion says… forget every thing and just fight and fight. We have paid unbearable opportunity cost already. Our children are dying with hunger but people like NKhan are more worried about revenge and crusaders.

]]> By: NKhan http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-124455 NKhan Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:51:38 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-124455 Dear Aftab Sb, you better read my post and comment and then rejoin. I have so many friends from left liberal. i have find good friends in them but i'm glade that you're not rightist as there is lettle place for facists. I'm niether the supporter of Taliban in Fata not adhere to their way of thinking but i had asked some valid questions. IF you are not the correct person and surely not you shouldn't answer to these questions. Le our spokemen of Govt and Pak army come forward and clarify this. Being a blogger and citizen journalist you should have done the work our friend Khokhar has done. He has presented a news in his support that is what a right, reasonable and best person should do. Although, i respectfully disagree with him on the point that it was suggested by ISAF so we have accepted it. Being a soverign state the least can we do is to not accept every thing at least the names after crusaders. Dear Aftab Sb, you better read my post and comment and then rejoin. I have so many friends from left liberal. i have find good friends in them but i’m glade that you’re not rightist as there is lettle place for facists. I’m niether the supporter of Taliban in Fata not adhere to their way of thinking but i had asked some valid questions. IF you are not the correct person and surely not you shouldn’t answer to these questions. Le our spokemen of Govt and Pak army come forward and clarify this.

Being a blogger and citizen journalist you should have done the work our friend Khokhar has done. He has presented a news in his support that is what a right, reasonable and best person should do. Although, i respectfully disagree with him on the point that it was suggested by ISAF so we have accepted it. Being a soverign state the least can we do is to not accept every thing at least the names after crusaders.

]]> By: The Pakistani Spectator http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-124408 The Pakistani Spectator Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:48:48 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-124408 Dear Aftab and all, you are always welcome, and TPS is TPS just because all of you. We are always at your service. Team TPS Dear Aftab and all, you are always welcome, and TPS is TPS just because all of you. We are always at your service.

Team TPS

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-124404 Aftab S. Alam Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:33:18 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-124404 Dear TPS Team, I greatly appreciate your cooperation and ever willingness to assist; please forgive me if somehow I sounded like blaming you guys for the problem. I was not. However, I do apologize again and want to thank you for your efforts to provide this wonderful opportunity to be part of this forum and 'public debates'. Big THANK YOU! Keep up the great work! Dear TPS Team, I greatly appreciate your cooperation and ever willingness to assist; please forgive me if somehow I sounded like blaming you guys for the problem. I was not. However, I do apologize again and want to thank you for your efforts to provide this wonderful opportunity to be part of this forum and ‘public debates’.

Big THANK YOU!

Keep up the great work!

]]> By: The Pakistani Spectator http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-124398 The Pakistani Spectator Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:34:12 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-124398 Due to the high load of spam, the security module of our Apache webserver is giving false positives alerts and that is why some of the comments and also posts were unable to get published. With the help of support, we have been able to resolve the problems. Sorry for the hassle, and if you encounter any problems regarding the sites, please let us know. Please be assured that TPS has never edited, moderated or blocked the comments and it never will in the future. regards Team TPS Due to the high load of spam, the security module of our Apache webserver is giving false positives alerts and that is why some of the comments and also posts were unable to get published. With the help of support, we have been able to resolve the problems. Sorry for the hassle, and if you encounter any problems regarding the sites, please let us know.

Please be assured that TPS has never edited, moderated or blocked the comments and it never will in the future.

regards

Team TPS

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-124397 Aftab S. Alam Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:30:39 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-124397 # 10 Sir! nice of you to be so generous! I am extremely humbled. # 10

Sir! nice of you to be so generous! I am extremely humbled.

]]> By: A Khokar http://www.pkhope.com/operation-lionheart/comment-page-1/#comment-124341 A Khokar Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:30:14 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-lionheart/#comment-124341 # Comment 11 Above American Forces Press Service also mentions of this operation Lion Heart. Link: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=51989 # Comment 11 Above

American Forces Press Service also mentions of this operation Lion Heart. Link:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=51989

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