Comments on: Living with Free Speech http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/ A Candid Blog Thu, 24 May 2012 04:18:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Jack roberts http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-121923 Jack roberts Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:18:59 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-121923 I am impressed by this comment and it looks good. Thanks for your post. Jack roberts <a>Social Bookmarking</a> I am impressed by this comment and it looks good. Thanks for your post.

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]]> By: Dan Tow http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-32462 Dan Tow Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:29:42 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-32462 Dr. Ayesha, Ah, you found my little hobby. I was wondering when or if any of my favorite commenters might notice the ad, and I'm honored that you were the first to remark on it. You are very kind. It's a very small thing, but maybe it can provide some amusement and an occasional satisfying challenge, for puzzle fans. - Dan Dr. Ayesha,

Ah, you found my little hobby. I was wondering when or if any of my favorite commenters might notice the ad, and I’m honored that you were the first to remark on it. You are very kind. It’s a very small thing, but maybe it can provide some amusement and an occasional satisfying challenge, for puzzle fans. - Dan

]]> By: Dr. Ayesha http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-31850 Dr. Ayesha Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:49:50 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-31850 I mean, you are quiet a man. These Puzzles of yours are an admirable effort, and that puts you in a very rare species of geniuses. Had my late husband alive, he would have loved you, as he was just crazy about Suduko. I mean, you are quiet a man. These Puzzles of yours are an admirable effort, and that puts you in a very rare species of geniuses. Had my late husband alive, he would have loved you, as he was just crazy about Suduko.

]]> By: Dan Tow http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30688 Dan Tow Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:35:26 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-30688 My good friends, I'd like to comment on a small drama that played out today among these very comments that has surprising pertinence to to the matter we are discussing. In doing so, my goal is not to embarrass anyone, but only to further illustrate my points. I have learned that among these comments there was a comment with a bit of text that was seen by more than a dozen of you, in complaining emails to TPS, to be pointlessly insulting to me. (I do not know if the "message sent" was *intended* to be insulting, and I harbor no ill will to the commenter involved, nor do I wish to embarrass this individual!) These emails insisted that the insult should be edited out, and TPS "bent" its customary rule to make the change, with the kindest of intentions. I thank you all for you concern and kind intentions, but I must say that I believe it was misguided, and I have requested that the comment text be restored to its original, unless *the commenter* requests that it be changed. The first reason for this is to make a point in favor of free speech. The second reason is more selfish: When a writer adds unnecessary personal insult to an argument, this tends to discredit his or her own argument, and (especially when that argument is against my own point of view!;-) this is not a bad thing! Now, this provides a lovely opportunity to "practice what I preach:" If we all practice what I preach, here, the correct response to this apparent insult is to *ignore it*!!! Please, everyone, do not bring attention to an insult (to me) that you disagree with by taking any notice of it at all! We could add a dozen more comments slamming the commenter for being out of bounds, but if he or she really was out of bounds, and intended the insult, this would only amplify the original offensive message! (Of course, if you are yourself the insulted party, you have every right to defend yourself as you see fit - whether to respond or ignore the offense is not really a moral question, just a question of which tactic *works best*. My good friends,

I’d like to comment on a small drama that played out today among these very comments that has surprising pertinence to to the matter we are discussing. In doing so, my goal is not to embarrass anyone, but only to further illustrate my points. I have learned that among these comments there was a comment with a bit of text that was seen by more than a dozen of you, in complaining emails to TPS, to be pointlessly insulting to me. (I do not know if the “message sent” was *intended* to be insulting, and I harbor no ill will to the commenter involved, nor do I wish to embarrass this individual!) These emails insisted that the insult should be edited out, and TPS “bent” its customary rule to make the change, with the kindest of intentions. I thank you all for you concern and kind intentions, but I must say that I believe it was misguided, and I have requested that the comment text be restored to its original, unless *the commenter* requests that it be changed. The first reason for this is to make a point in favor of free speech. The second reason is more selfish: When a writer adds unnecessary personal insult to an argument, this tends to discredit his or her own argument, and (especially when that argument is against my own point of view!;-) this is not a bad thing!

Now, this provides a lovely opportunity to “practice what I preach:” If we all practice what I preach, here, the correct response to this apparent insult is to *ignore it*!!! Please, everyone, do not bring attention to an insult (to me) that you disagree with by taking any notice of it at all! We could add a dozen more comments slamming the commenter for being out of bounds, but if he or she really was out of bounds, and intended the insult, this would only amplify the original offensive message! (Of course, if you are yourself the insulted party, you have every right to defend yourself as you see fit - whether to respond or ignore the offense is not really a moral question, just a question of which tactic *works best*.

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30677 Aftab S. Alam Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:00:03 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-30677 Agree with the learned opinion of Dr Ayesha that "Free speech is bound to create ......." Only would just want to add, if I might, that freedom, any freedom is burdend with responsibilities; any time we entertain our freedoms we must learn to respect others rights. You can't go wrong with this principle. Agree with the learned opinion of Dr Ayesha that “Free speech is bound to create …….”

Only would just want to add, if I might, that freedom, any freedom is burdend with responsibilities; any time we entertain our freedoms we must learn to respect others rights. You can’t go wrong with this principle.

]]> By: Dr. Ayesha http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30664 Dr. Ayesha Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:50:00 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-30664 Free speech is bound to create some fervid and torrid reactions, which could really become nasty. But that depends how you react to that. If you just blow up and react mindlessly against it, then you would be prone to more of it, and if you reasonably and objectively accept or reject the point and remain calm and cool, and the same if applied from the other side, then it would create a genuine lasting harmony. Free speech is bound to create some fervid and torrid reactions, which could really become nasty. But that depends how you react to that. If you just blow up and react mindlessly against it, then you would be prone to more of it, and if you reasonably and objectively accept or reject the point and remain calm and cool, and the same if applied from the other side, then it would create a genuine lasting harmony.

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30659 Aftab S. Alam Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:43:22 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-30659 Dear Imran, I fail to find any reason for your this outburst. You are perhaps not aware that it's not only your responsibility to give reference to your source, it is also responsibility of a reader to point out this failing. Otherwise, it is not you who is guilty of academic theft, my ignoring this crime implies my being an accomplice, whic I refuse to be. As far as my "limited mental energy" which you have very kindly referred to is concerned; well, suffice it to say that I am more than happy to be endowed with this. Your challenge "Go, sue me", tells quite a bit about how much you all care and respect the Rule of Law. Any law, moral, ethical, and legal. For you "Rights" mean just yours, even you allow yourself a 'right' to steal, cheat, and plagiarise shamelessly. First learn the basic responsibilities one has in any free society then talk about nobler things like Freedom of Speech and Expression. I am afraid it is people like yourself who have provided contradictory examples of what our Belief is and what Islam stands for. No wonder the world laughs at us. Ponder a little before shooting off again from where you usually do. Good day! Dear Imran, I fail to find any reason for your this outburst. You are perhaps not aware that it’s not only your responsibility to give reference to your source, it is also responsibility of a reader to point out this failing. Otherwise, it is not you who is guilty of academic theft, my ignoring this crime implies my being an accomplice, whic I refuse to be. As far as my “limited mental energy” which you have very kindly referred to is concerned; well, suffice it to say that I am more than happy to be endowed with this.

Your challenge “Go, sue me”, tells quite a bit about how much you all care and respect the Rule of Law. Any law, moral, ethical, and legal. For you “Rights” mean just yours, even you allow yourself a ‘right’ to steal, cheat, and plagiarise shamelessly. First learn the basic responsibilities one has in any free society then talk about nobler things like Freedom of Speech and Expression. I am afraid it is people like yourself who have provided contradictory examples of what our Belief is and what Islam stands for. No wonder the world laughs at us. Ponder a little before shooting off again from where you usually do.

Good day!

]]> By: Jahangir Khan Tareen http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30649 Jahangir Khan Tareen Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:10:13 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-30649 The strong do as they can and the week suffer as they must.Noam Chomsky These are the views of an American of conscious and world wide credibility, if we observe in this context whatever wrong happening against the weaker Nations with abundant Natural resources anywhere has to have some organisation behind it The strong do as they can and the week suffer as they must.Noam Chomsky These are the views of an American of conscious and world wide credibility, if we observe in this context whatever wrong happening against the weaker Nations with abundant Natural resources anywhere has to have some organisation behind it

]]> By: Dr. Imran http://www.pkhope.com/living-with-free-speech-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30647 Dr. Imran Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:50:24 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/living-with-free-speech-2/#comment-30647 Dear Aftab, you better stick to wagging your tail for Musharraf, and it would be better for you to not spend your limited mental energy in these things. I know what plagiarism is and whats not. I voiced the opinion, which I considered right and upon which I believe. Go, Sue me. Dear Aftab, you better stick to wagging your tail for Musharraf, and it would be better for you to not spend your limited mental energy in these things. I know what plagiarism is and whats not. I voiced the opinion, which I considered right and upon which I believe. Go, Sue me.

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