Kasab is Pakistani: So What?
By A Khokar • Jan 12th, 2009 • Category: Politics • 55 CommentsSo what if Mr.Kasab is even proved to be from Pakistan? Any body in their individual capacity may indulge in any thing. All sorts of peoples remain busy in their nefarious activities; right from human trafficking to Narcotics smuggling and even they fell prey to enemy designs and on a paltry rewards even become traitors and may indulge in subversive activities against their own mother land. Exploitation and sabotage are the common tactics and means in use. The oppressive regimes have the greed of wealth and power in sight and they keep on exploiting the burning political issues of the targeted countries and by subversive actions induce anarchy and mayhem to destabilize and finally to see them scum to their designs.
India has a track record of history that it is shamelessly busy engaged in subversive actions in Baluchistan and is actively instigating the separatist groups also in FATA and Afghanistan. Local hired individual or groups remain at play busy exploiting and grabbing the opportunities and are asked to be ready to hit the targets when situation become ripe.
Owing to the peculiar precarious situation of Pakistan that it finds itself trapped in Global war against Terror and is fighting this war as a front state on its western borders. Wars have the tendency of spreading like wild fires and Currently Pakistan is fighting this war in even with in its own territory.
India the arch enemy of Pakistan who has never spared any such opportunity; finding it a ripe situation very conveniently orchestrated a self inflicting drama of terror in Mumbai to implicate Pakistan in it with an aim to pinch and over run its eastern borders. Accordingly a clever plan was chalked and it turned out to be Mumbai massacre which occurred on 26 November 2008. Ten stooges are involved who carried out a rampage at some seven different targets in Mumbai. A lone surviving gunman is named as Ajmal Kasab. Indian Police has come out with the plethora of confessional statement of the surviving gunman in their investigation. This is established that this lone survivor, planted in the drama is named as Ajmal kasab who comes from Pakistan.
But other than the Indian blame game in the light of confession of the lone survivor, Mr Kasab; there are many more straight questions requiring answers, arising out of this operation. Most relevant Questions are:
- What about all others ten culprits?
- How did they land up in Mumbai?
- Have we hauled up all possible other locals elements who were responsible to support their logistic and conduct of operation?
- Possibly no one can carry arms, ammo and logistic and also put up such a furious fight for such a long period extending for three days with out local help at the target?
- There is a colossal failure of Indian Intelligence, police and security at sea as well as on land and why were they sleeping or say made to sleep on the wheels?
- Why Indian Media and the intellectuals are not vigorously demanding a probe in the Indian internal security failures.
- What is the fate of Hemet Karkare investigations? Reportedly in his investigations, he was holding the terrorist groups responsible, hailed and nurtured by BJP and RSS for their many subversive savage activities against Muslims and other minorities in India?
Any how; if at all kasab is proved to be the person from Pakistan; more so, it will be the requirement of a fair investigation that he being the only surviving operative at the scene must be handed over to Pakistan; so that the groups if any operating under ground in Pakistan for such like subversive activities may also be dug out.
Reportedly; some two years back, this Kasab, actual name Mr. Ajmal Amir along with other 200 Pakistanis were hauled up by Indian authorities while on their visit to Nepal at Kathmandu. This entire group is missing with any trace except this Kasab that he has emerged as terrorist. A Solicitor from Pakistan C M Farouque is claimed to be pursuing the case with Indian and Nepali governments. Why this report be ignored and why? What about other missing 199 and that how many more Mumbai like bleak attacks–> are in line; yet to be hatched in India?
Matter of the fact is that India is refusing to come down to the terms to put up some joint efforts to eradicate this evil of terrorism found in our region for which Pakistan is relentlessly busy and paying a heavy price since long.
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Mr. Khokar, this is like saying, “Pakistan churns out terrorists like a factory on overdrive: So what?”
Pakistanis want the omelet, without breaking the eggs. Not going to happen.
India Not the Real Enemy, Militancy is
“To Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, Lashkar-e-Taiba chief, whom I once heard lecturing at a Jamaat-ud-Dawah mosque in Chakwal, I would respectfully say that the time for the kind of ‘jihad’ as promoted in the 1980s and 1990s is over.
What was possible then is no longer possible now. That kind of ‘jihad’ far from serving any useful purpose or advancing any Pakistani interests now endangers the country. A farewell to ‘jihad’, turning Kalashnikovs into ploughshares, that is what Pakistan needs. ………………..
………….Saving Pakistan from within must take priority over everything else. Notions of strategic depth and the like, of ‘jihad’ as an instrument of national policy, must finally be discarded. Folly sowed over 30 years of benighted effort has come to haunt us. High time we gave up on these ghosts from the past.”
(India Not the Real Enemy, Militancy is – Ayaz Amir / Khaleej Times December 26, 2008)
Khokar,
Peace can only prevail if both the parties try to make it happen.
Think about it and stop spreading hate among people, if India was never happy with creation of Pakistan it could have taken it back long back.
But that is not what India wants, Pakistan was once part of India if you can read history. They still and will always think that the people over there will be their own people.
Khokar,
Every now and then, one runs into some broken pride at TPS. Brig. (R) Junaid Zaman is one example. You are another special one. Both thugs with emotional hitches.
One thing we can be certain of: Your eyes will NEVER open, and you will NEVER see clearly.
While faced with the ongoing crimes and travesties of your terrorist-loving country, you just keep on oinking about non-issues, such as the Indo-Nepal nexus. This was disproven weeks ago. It is hard to fathom a twisted mind such as yours, but then the most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.
Hey Khokar
I thought u were were innovative and wud churn out new biryaanis. How come is old biryaani again.
Come on brother, i am really interested what’s new on ur menu.
Dear All,
Some of our friends here probably missed the earlier publication of this article which was unfortunately last in a server crash of TPS yesterday. Alhamdo Lillah TPS was back on with in hours and is up and running.
For the benefit of all, I will try that relevant portion from the earlier discussion are also included here.
Regards
Most of our Indian friends are frequent visitors here on this site and I certainly appreciate their comments and their positive contribution which gives us an insight of various touching political and socio-economic faced by India as well as by Pakistan and help us understand the real core sunstance of problems faced by two neighbour. Mumbai massacre how despicable it may be but it has provided the two rival nations a venue to unearth our real issues and move on from a mere blame game and hot rhetoric to reality that people on both side of the border remain so perturbed for.
In case of recent Mumbai attack, we all know that Pakistan has never denied that Kasab may not be from Pakistan. It only demanded the authentic evidence be given and if the evidence is provided; it has always been said that matter will be resolved with all the sincerities. And why not? Pakistan has got nothing to hide. After an bout 40 days of incident the confessional/ evidence report prepared by Indian authorities is with Pakistan now. Let us see how Pakistan comes up with reply?
Terrorism has no boundaries. All terrorist invariably enjoy their free will and are able to cross all the physical boundaries with out going through any normal security checks in place especially in the area they select for their operations. What ever the resources and technology is employed to counter them. Even the super power like United States is also well aware of this fact that Initiative and element of Surprise always rests with them. Like Vikings the terrorists they rule us all that presently they have put the whole world in a spin.
In Mumbai terrorist attack; Pakistan if is in knows of any thing had got nothing to hide. Pakistan need not to indulge into any flimsy cover ups; like the one of Samjhota express carnage where a serving Indian Lt Colonel SP Purohit turned as terrorist and blew up the 60 Pakistanis travelling on this train… He was later declared a hero by BJP in their circles. Presently India is showing its utter seriousness for Mumbai attack but when is India going to bring Advani, Thachkeray and Purohit along with their cohorts; all the known terrorists to justice?
It is strange enough that right in the very first—‘half an hour’ of Mumbai attack, Indian Media was out rightly blaming Pakistan with the reference of Indian officials’ interviews as some how they knew the whole plan in advance. It looked like that they were simply narrating a given pre-written script of a drama issued by RAW to them.
Where as apparently these Mumbai attack culprits from their dresses; the wrist band they wore and Tilaks marks, etc on their foreheads; they looked like Hindu Indian. How absurd it is that Pakistan was categorically implicated right before this any one of these terrorists was even captured. Not only was this but the route was also indicated from Kashmir to Mumbai via Karachi.
If Indian RAW claims to be that competent and Mumbai Attack was not their orchestrated Drama then why they could not issue, at least a warning or alerted the police or other security agencies before hand?
Kasab; Nepal Connection
And please do not say that about 200 Pakistanis youngsters hauled up in Nepal about two years back is— some garbage. It shows that any point going against India is being denied with out any reasoning.
Solicitor CM Farouque (Farook) of Pakistan has got lot to say. He has a long story to tell. He has been holding may Press conferences at Kathmandu-Nepal in year 2006 on this issue. Ajmal Amir namae is right there in his court case. There is enough material at record. This case Records are also available with the courts and the Consulates of India as well as Nepal and Pakistan.
These evidences must be thrashed explicitly. Rest all will come in light when it will be discovered and revealed that how these captives were coerced against their will and trained to work as terrorist while in India.
My only fear is that CM Farouque may not meet his fate like; Hemet Karkare. After all RAW has her very staunch allies and operatives in present in Pakistan also.
Dear All,
It is a futile effort of Indian Mumbai carnage investigation to craft all possible blames with the aim only to export them to Pakistan and keep their eyes closed where India needs to look inward. After Mumbai attack there is a fragile state of affairs prevalent in India as well in Pakistan. The Indian blame game and export of blame and dumping at Pakistan’s door may give India some respite to attain a political calmness in India and her politician may reap few benefits for their respective parties in the run of coming Indian General Election to be held in May 2009.
But As I said at above about Kasab; Nepal connection; The haul up of some 200 Pakistanis reportedly are still missing in India and matter is not being moved.
These evidences must be thrashed explicitly. Rest all will come in light when it will be discovered and revealed that how these captives were coerced against their will and trained to work as terrorist while in India.
Mumbai attack seems to be first such display of product of only ten men and it has given us the Mumbai like massacre. If that factory in allegedly in India is not closed; just imagine; many more refined products must also be in the pipe line?
Some of us may insist even then to call ‘Kasab: Nepal connection’ a garbage, a clap trap or a meaning less cry. You may name it any thing what you feel like but we all know that when we ignore such like facts intentionally and try to bury them as a waste. That is when only the scavengers find it their way in; finding it a free hand and they feel at liberty to build up their strength and then they pounce back and attack the societies for thei evil designs more vehemently.
Where as, in Pakistan there are numerous terror groups found playing in the hands of foreign savage oppressors for a paltry prices; I also know there are about 100 such groups [1] that all Indian as well as Pakistani know of that they are actively engaged in their nefarious activities and are tarnishing the serenity of our societies.
The bottom line may be; India and Pakistan has to help each other more explicitly; leave the blame game; come to the common grounds honestly and join hands to eradicate the menace of terrorism from our soils.
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[1] For list of some 100 Terrorists Indian groups actively engaged all over in India pursuing their separatist movements that Indian central government is very much weary of. Please link comment #19 at:
http://www.pakspectator.com/ask-mrs-karkare-was-it-lashker-or-bjp/
The Real Drama
On 26 November there happened a despicable Mumbai massacre drama. Supposedly some 10 men engaged multiple targets and carried out a killing rampage. It is observed that although there were other incidents of same nature like Marriot Hotel attack in Islamabad, there were other repeated massacre incidents in Pakistan, the Samjhota Express carnage, the Gujrat killings , the Nuns debacleand the killing of thousands of Christians and burning of their Churches in India. The last couple of years have proved to be bloodiest years. A systematic carnage has been carried out by the brutal savage at a massive scale. but India thinks that Mumbai massacre is greater than all; a master piece of all the bloody carnages because it was so well orchestrated by RAW under the auspice guidance of CIA and Mossad that it should be seen excelling— all other. I has its special design and a sole purpose that Pakistan is brought onto her knees.
But unfortunately this ambitious plan could not bring the desired results. So many people were massacred but neither Pakistan could be declared a country of terrorists; nor could India plunge, Pakistan into war. Even a sheepish effort to initiate a surgical strike in the name of striking Terrorist target inside Pakistan could not be materialized. The proud Pak Air force ‘SHAHEENS were ready waiting in the wings to engage and challenge the intruders and they did. The whole Indian plan went awry. So sad.
Indian,
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Biryani
Hey man I think a dish full of Biryani was served the other day and you are asking for it again.
Any how; I am with you; Biryani is of course in great demand because it serves well at any dinner being the most sumptuous dish. Rice may be the basic ingredient in it but there is always a mix of certain spices which matters most. India is a big country so it can certainly come up with different tastes. In Pakistan we also have many different tastes in Biryani where as Bombay Biryani has its own taste. But some times under cooked Biryani with some excessive and ambitious mix up like Mumbai drama of 26/11 always leaves a bitter pungent taste.
It is observed that although there were other incidents of same nature like Marriot Hotel attack in Islamabad, there were other repeated massacre incidents in Pakistan, the Samjhota Express carnage, the Gujrat killings , the Nuns debacle, the killing of thousands of Christians and burning of their Churches. Last couple of years have been bloody years and carnage carried out by the brutal savage at the massive scale but India thinks that as Bombay Biryani is graded at top so is the Mumbai massacre; a master piece of all the bloody carnages because it was so well orchestrated supposedly by RAW under the auspice guidance of CIA that it should be seen excelling all other. I has its specific purpose !
As I said earlier unfortunately this ambitious plan could not bring the desired results. So many people were massacred but neither Pakistan could be declared a country of terrorists; nor could India plunge Pakistan into war. Even a sheepish effort to initiate a surgical strike in the name of striking Terrorist target inside Pakistan could not be materialized. The proud Pak Air force ‘SHAHEENS were ready waiting in the wings to challenge the intruders and they did. The whole Indian plan went awry. Again I say; So sad.
Leave the guggling og blame game and we all must look for that Specific purpose for which this massacre was orchestrated?
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Please read the last sentence as:
Leave the juggling of blame game and we all must look for; that Specific purpose for which this massacre was orchestrated?
Many thanks
@ A Khokar
“For the benefit of all, I will try that relevant portion from the earlier discussion are also included here.”
Is it possible that your idea of relevance and someone else’s idea of relevance could be entirely different?
Post ALL the comments, not just the extracts that bolster your case. Then it would be an honest debate.
The following briefly counters your fairytales.
1. Purohit is doing time in prison, like he should, while known terrorists in your country are free to pursue ISI’s agenda.
Here are just two examples from today’s news.
In US, LeT chief’s kin raised funds for jihad:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/In_US_LeT_chiefs_kin_raised_funds_for_jihad/articleshow/3964960.cms
Pakistan’s Jamaat ‘ban’ lie nailed:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistans_Jamaat_ban_lie_nailed/articleshow/3966239.cms
2. Your ‘Nepal Connection’ is disconnected from reality.
Nepal court records disprove Pakistani lawyer’s claim on Kasab:
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14821452
This has been called to your attention previously.
3. The “specific purpose for which this massacre was orchestrated” by Pakistanis was to prove to the world that its existence matters. As time passes, it does not. Is anyone surprised? If so, it would be like seeing a dog turd lying on the sidewalk and being surprised that it stinks.
India proposes, Pak disposes:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistan/India_proposes_Pak_disposes/articleshow/3961303.cms
Kho-kar
Come on, i really eager abt ur biryaani on the Jamaat Ud Dawa rally as Sino has said.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pak-lies-exposed-jamaat-holds-public-rally/82552-2.html
Sino,
#15- The relevant portion of previous comments.
Since above subject was discussed previously at length and we had about 44 comments. There was a mishap of crash of TPS server and I am told that many posts were lost. I am not the record keeper of the comments so I can only reproduce some of my own comments which may be available with me some where in draft form. I mean if the current discussion demands so.
By all means we can still discuss the subject and may dig out more facts and may be able to find truth at the bottom more visible beyond all the smoke screens of misleading rhetorics that we find erected before us as a cover-ups.
Will come back…!
regards
@ A Khokar
Sure, take your time. Menwhile, here is another one that will interest you.
How Ajmal Kasab took to radical Islam
Jugnu Mohsin
January 05, 2009
Faridkot of Ajmal ‘Qasai’ (Kasab) fame is a mere ten miles from my ancestral village in tehsil Depalpur, Punjab. Before the 21-year-old went on his killing spree in Mumbai, Faridkot was known only because it is one of many thus named towns and villages celebrating and honouring the great Chishti sufi, Sheikh-al-Islam, Fariduddin Masud Ganj-e-Shakar (1173-1266) known in Pakistan, northern India and as far as Afghanistan and Central Asia, as Baba Farid.
The saint’s followers or murids spread throughout the Punjab and beyond across north India. Everywhere, they named their settlements Faridkot. Now one such Faridkot is on Google Earth as the home of the sole surviving terrorist of India’s 9/11, as many Indians see it. How this came to pass is a story of countless impoverished Pakistanis who have taken to jihad and radical Islam as a way of claiming an identity and a livelihood in a state that has failed to provide both in sixty years of independence.
This Punjab, where I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s, appeared to me peaceful, bucolic, unconcerned with caste or creed and at one with its ancient spirit. But then I was a child of privilege. My father, tracing his lineage to the 16th century Qadiri sufi Daud Bandagi Kirmani, whose Akbar Shahi tomb still dominates the pinnacle of our village, Shergarh, farmed land in the area owned by his family for generations. Immersed in his culture and history, my father took my siblings and me on tours of this ancient part of the Punjab.
We went to Pakpattan, Ajjodhan of antiquity, the land of the Joiya tribe, on the banks of the Sutlej. Pakpattan has been known for nearly a thousand years for its most famous resident, Hazrat Baba Farid, whose tomb is the locus of the town and all the countryside surrounding it. Local lore has it that Taimur, on a rampage through north India, visited Pakpattan in 1398 and spared the town and its inhabitants out of respect for Baba Farid’s shrine. Hundreds of years after his death, Baba Farid’s poetry was incorporated into the Guru Granth Sahib and Sikhism considers him to be one of its fifteen bhagats…
We visited Depalpur, a seat of Aryan civilisation and a town continuously inhabited for two millennia. It was famously conquered by Alexander and even today, after a good monsoon, villagers dig up old Greek coins. We visited the intact Hindu temples of Depalpur and the townspeople took ownership of the buildings, preserving them by putting them to use.
We visited Hujrah Shah Muqeem, another town of the area made famous for its Sufi preacher of peace and brotherhood. We visited Haveli Bhuman Shah, a town named after the elaborate and richly decorated homes of Hindu banias or Kiraarh, as they are still known. The havelis had new inhabitants and if age and wear had taken their toll, the frescoes were not defaced in my childhood; the residents showed them off to us proudly.
This, my Punjab, was not to remain the placid idyll it appeared to be on the surface. Powerful social and political forces were at work to alter the landscape. Unlike in Indian Punjab, where the state carried out a decent land reform, Pakistan undertook a later and half-baked exercise in the ’60s and ’70s.
Many powerful landowners were able to circumvent the reforms. The land stayed with the ‘landlords’ and the poor remained poor even if standards of living improved somewhat. More importantly, opportunity and mobility became available to only the few in rural Punjab who could get a decent education.
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The Qasais of Faridkot were not amongst the lucky ones. Amir Qasai, Ajmal’s father, sold pakoras in the chowk on a rehri or cart. He could not educate his sons or marry off his daughter.
In the 1970s, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto had been the great white hope of people such as the Qasais of Faridkot. But he delivered much less than promised; all he gave them in the end was a voice, a consciousness. And finally, he gave his life for the ‘awam’, the people, or so it seemed to them when he was executed by General Zia-ul Haq in 1979.
The people of Faridkot remembered Bhutto and venerated him as they did the Sufis buried in their ancient land. They made their way to the Urs or death anniversaries of their Sufi murshids every year, celebrating the saints’ union with the Beloved, and they gave Bhutto’s daughter Benazir their votes whenever they had the chance. But she too could do nothing for them; it’s not that she didn’t want to, they believed throughout the ’80s and part of the ’90s, it’s because she couldn’t.
The powerful organs of the State were never going to share their clout with civilian politicians again, not after they had done away with Bhutto. Never again, they knew, would the awam get a real stab at power.
The people of Faridkot began to look again to the local landowners in order to survive. They began to vote for whoever offered them the jobs, water, schools, roads that they craved. And when that too failed, they began to look to the mosque. They began to take heart from the message that came blaring down from the pulpit every Friday.
“There is suffering everywhere in the world. Your brethren in Kashmir, whose right to be in Pakistan as a Muslim majority area has been thwarted for decades, need to be liberated. Pray for their liberation. Your brethren in Bosnia, who are being killed in a genocide by Crusaders, need to be liberated. Pray for their liberation.” The message from the pulpit was reinforced by the call of Jihadists to action. They spread this message all across the Punjab, most notably in the province’s poorest districts where previously Bhutto’s PPP (Pakistan People Party) had won with landslides. The jihadists were flush with funds, arms, strength and support of the State.
With poverty having driven young Ajmal from his home, he was easy prey for these jihadists. He was already on his way as a petty thief when they got him. Life as a jihadist gave Ajmal a livelihood, money for his family (they were able to marry off his sister Ruqaiya), respect, a sense of belonging and importantly, independence from the local landowner. No longer would he or his father have to go and sit at Mian Manzoor Wattoo’s feet, waiting for hours in his dera, for petty favours. No longer would they be herded at election time to the Pakistan People’s Party booth or to the Muslim League’s stall to cast their vote in line with the current allegiance of their overlord. No longer would they be bullied or their votes bought.
The Qasais had powerful patrons who in turn were patronised by the most powerful in the land; villagers say Ajmal Qasai’s cocky gait when he occasionally returned to Faridkot with gifts for his mother was a thing to see. It so tempted the other urchins of the village. It so impressed all the weary old men. But his mother’s heart would sink when he’d say ‘I am going to liberate Kashmir’.
They say she broke down and went to pieces the minute she saw that famous CCTV photo grab of him in his blue Versace T-shirt and the killing machine in his hand. In the end, Ajmal Qasai (he calls himself Qasab, a fancy, high Urdu label for butchers, sealing the upward mobility he acquired as a jihadist) could not bite the poison pill and do away with the evidence.
No wonder Hafiz Saeed, amir of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, refused to call him a ‘mujahid’ when asked on a recent television interview. Ajmal’s story is as much the story of hopeless poverty as of State failure as of recalcitrant regional hegemony as of misplaced concreteness.
The column first appeared in The Friday Times, published from Lahore, Pakistan. Jugnu Mohsin is its managing editor and publisher. Published with her kind courtesy and persmission.
Poor Khokar
u need to switch to CNN or BBC instead of Zaid Hamid’s Brasstacks.
Aftab S. Alam,
India is not real enemy of Pakistan but militancy is?
You are right in the sense that; the factor of militancy present in our country is the cancerous ailment which is dragging us down at a fast rate toward utter chaos and anarchy. It is tarnishing the serenity of our society beyond repair. Off course this is the only factor that country like India is also exploiting our this weakness.
India is our next door neighbour. You may change your friends but have no choice to change your neighbour. We find that India is busy exploiting this as archiac line and turning into our enemy fast. India knowing it to be such that Pakistan is in trouble and is doing its best to fight this militancy; rather than helping Pakistan in eradication of ailments; it is overtly indulging in exploiting it and is all out in maligning Pakistan and is bent upon, to get imposed economic sanctions for non compliance of shutting down the camps like of JuD etc. Followed by declaring our ISI a terrorist supporting organisation (means weakening of Pakistan defences). End result you may imagine?
If this is not right then please watch the Indian TV Channels; NDTV or IBN. Or even go through the video clips of The India times.
Are these India’s gestures mentioned above of a goodly neighbour; a friend with a helping hand to avail a relief or other wise? I doubt it very much that your answer will be —yes?.
India need not to be reminded that all the foreign aggressors and invaders; who so ever have come through north west of Hindu kush they did not stop in area now called Pakistan. They all went for deep into Delhi and beyond. Geographically Pakistan is serving this subcontinent a guarding- check post; if this guardian is not looked after—then it simply becomes a conduit— transferring and spilling over and off loading every thing on to next spaces deep in side India.
Regards