Comments on: Judges Issues, Impeachment, Foreign Policy and Pakistani Voters http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/ A Candid Blog Thu, 24 May 2012 02:48:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-51015 Aftab S. Alam Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:02:46 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-51015 AOM Sahib - Interesting, took me longer than recommended 13 minutes! Thanks. Who is this Thanvi? He does write well, is it all just to inform us the plain 'folks' or something else is at play here? Whatever the motivation, makes some better sense. Helped me disown this, entire sordid episode, even more. It is a catalogue of the sordid details of orgies of hatred against Musharraf and stinks up into very nostrils of the entire nation. Thanks again! AOM Sahib - Interesting, took me longer than recommended 13 minutes! Thanks. Who is this Thanvi? He does write well, is it all just to inform us the plain ‘folks’ or something else is at play here? Whatever the motivation, makes some better sense. Helped me disown this, entire sordid episode, even more. It is a catalogue of the sordid details of orgies of hatred against Musharraf and stinks up into very nostrils of the entire nation.

Thanks again!

]]> By: Aashique of Musharraf http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-50982 Aashique of Musharraf Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:28:28 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-50982 Dear All, Please find below an analysis of CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry Reference case seen from a different angle not done by media or our intellectuals. EX-CJ IFTIKHAR CHAUDHRY REFERENCE CASE – A CRITIQUE Reading Time: 13 minutes The judgment by the Supreme Court is now a public property and can be commented upon. I know that the tide of the media flow is against the government and the government seems not to be in a mood to counter. We do not see any genuine effort by neutral persons to analyze the complete episode critically without any bias and favor. May be the media itself is not providing space to any balanced analysis and criticism, a policy they are obliged to follow. A deliberate attempt to look at the complete case from other angle may initiate a healthy debate which is the need of the hour. It is as follows:- 1. Reference Against the CJ is illegal: If the article 209 of the constitution has been followed by the government in filing the reference then it is hard to believe the judgment can be called illegal. The word used in the judgment calling the filing of reference "illegal" leaves no room for "ifs and buts". Had there been any procedural lapse that should have been pointed out before accepting the reference by the registrar which is a normal judicial practice. May be it has been called "illegal" for the reason that article 209 says judges conduct can be referred to SJC whereas, the filed reference was against the CJ who could not be equated with judges as propounded by Mr. Aitazaz Ahsan. If it is so, then this judgment may lead to judicial chaos of no end. It means that CJ is not included in the category of other judges and if we accept it then CJ is qualified for administrative functions only and he can not sit on the bench constituted for judicial adjudication. There can be many more judicial implications of grave consequences which this judgment may create. Allow me to say that if the judment of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was bad then this judgment is even worse. This judgment has hanged not one man but the whole institution of judiciary has been put to gallows till the count of ten. 2. CJ is not Accountable: The judgment gives a strong message that "CJ is not accountable and he can not be tried by the SJC". Our learned judges endorsing every word of the judgment need to have serious introspection. If CJ being the head of judiciary is not accountable then President, PM, Head of institutions, COAS, CAS and CNS should also enjoy same privilege. Thus, leaving the poor general public accountable for all the ills of this nation. 3. Affidavits: Apparently feeling has been given that all affidavits whether of CJ or from intelligence agencies and PSO were not taken into consideration but it is hard to believe because legal cases are decided only on the evidence produced. The judgment itself is the affirmation of what the affidavit of CJ asserts whereas all other affidavits were set aside. Why the court decided to ignore all other affidavits may suggest that it did not go with the mindset. The affidavits of intelligence agencies and PSO were testimony of the facts supported by the recorded evidences which could not have been negated, so those were conveniently ignored. Affidavits from both the sides had enough meat to reach to the facts which could have guided this nation to a better future but we have lost the opportunity. As a nation we are not far sighted and look for immediate relief only. This judgment is the proof of our approach to please some people who wanted some embarrassment for the government. To make the CJ case into a movement for pressurizing judiciary, all Bars were activated by the CJ counsel. We are not short of hired pseudo intellectuals (media baby) who took their turn on all private media channels to give momentum to this movement using their myopic wisdom. Who financed this movement which needed a heavy purse was readily available from the looted public money. 4. Intelligence Agencies: The honourable court came hard on intelligence agencies on the pointation of CJ counsel. Why that was done? That could be to nullify the facts contained in the affidavits submitted by the agencies. Needless to say, intelligence agencies are the eyes and ears of any state. They are duty bound to carry out surveillance and report to the authorities with concrete proof. They do their duty with great precision, expertise and professionalism. These agencies keep their watchful eyes at all possible spots which may be President, PM, Ministers, Parliamentarians, Bureaucrats, Professionals, Defence forces, Judiciary and all & sundry. These agencies perform their duty to protect all the boundaries of the state and we should be obliged to them. Those who are innocent should have no fear. To be fair our judiciary should facilitate and appreciate intelligence cover which will protect the stature and standing of all judges and give credence to their judgment. No one then dare say "CHAMAK", "KANGAROO COURT", "BRIEF CASE" and "LIFAFA". 5. CJ Trial By the Judiciary: Gone are the days when honorable judges were not appearing in the public. And, when judging serious public / political cases they confined themselves to the boundary of their home, away from all influencing materials like newspapers, radio and tv. These honorable judges never visited office of executives and other state organs. They spoke through their judgment and never found addressing public and bars as political leaders. We have now seen all these happening. When judicial culture has changed then permit us to say that any judge being tried by judges of their own fraternity lose credibility. It is a serious fall out of the CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry case judgment. We can not rule out that in future political leaders and others may also demand their trial for any charge be done by their own men. One may then ask - do we expect angels to come? Yes, we want angel judges to come if we want fair judgment. 6. CJ Iftikhar Chaudhri Case: Let me summarize some of the events which speak loud of the mindset:- a. Allowing Supreme Court premises for address by CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry counsel and supportive lawyers: It is incorrect to say that it was a bar meeting. If it was a bar meeting then why the public address system was arranged for listeners sitting out side the premises of the supreme court who were mostly political parties. What happened in that meeting are on record. The language used in that meeting were slur on the sanctity of the supreme court but the honourable judges of the court did not move. They let that happen. When the apex court was physically assaulted and attacked by a political party and all the evidence were available, recorded by media, seen by independent witnesses and even recorded on the court CCTV these evidences were ignored on flimsy ground. When our judiciary can not protect themselves then what protection can they provide to general public. Had the judiciary been effective and those political leaders who were responsible for the attack punished, we would not have seen the misery of this nation which we are seeing today. b. CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry and his counsel were given free hand to influence the bar members, political parties and general public to organize a movement to pressurize the court hearing the case against CJ. It can happen only in Pakistan. If this is the modus operandi to get judgment of choice from the court then days are not far off when members of political parties will paralyze city and town as was done by the lawyer community. Any one having clout may also get judgment in favour. It also implies that show of brute power is the key to get the judiciary approval. Who says that this bold judgment has buried the martial law for ever? No sir, this judgment has sanctified army’s brute force and muscle power in getting favourable judgment if situation so arises. The CJ counsel suggested to the court to use judiciary in the similar way as done by the army when they supported their army chief in promulgating martial law or removing the civil government. It clearly implies that army action to protect General Pervez Musharaf was legally correct approach. Had that not been correct then the CJ counsel dare not advise the court to use the same strategy. The deep silence maintained by the trial court on this suggestion may be the tacit approval of this modus operandi. c. When movement gained momentum at that critical juncture the court expressed that the judgment will be a good news for the general public. Judgments are not given to please any one. It has to be fair and just, irrespective of the feelings that may have. d. The Law Secretary was hastily called in anger to explain why some portion of the reference had derogatory language for the honourable judges. The executive was fined and the Law Secretary was de-licenced. Whereas, when the President of the SC Bar threatened to burn the supreme court he was called in the court where Mr. Malik took the stand that he had been quoted out of the context. Then he was asked to submit it in writing. On his appearing next day, he excused to the court by saying that that was slip of the tongue. Our judges were magnanimous in dealing with the Bar President but did not think so when Law Secretary appeared. Those who watched the TV(Geo/ARY) just after the judgment was announced may recall that Mr. Malik, the President of the SC Bar in an interview with the media smilingly admitted that he did that intentionally to maintain pressure on the court or words to that effect. e. Advise to CJ Counsel: The court on one occasion spoke to CJ counsel saying " AS A FRIEND WE ADVISE YOU TO RE-CONSIDER YOUR AGITATIONAL STRATEGY OF BAR ADDRESS BY THE CJ" or words to that effect. How supportive or detrimental is calling a counsel of one party as "friend" during the court proceeding needs no elaboration. Moreover, that advice was indicative of the mounting pressure used by the CJ counsel to influence the judgment process of the case. Had that not been so then the court should have warned and directed CJ counsel to stop agitational movement of the lawyers. When the judgment process of the court is being influenced by a party then court do not advise or request but orders the concerned party to stop influencing the court. The court never minces words in passing such orders but nothing of the sort was done. f. Evidences of the Affidavits: Soon after affidavits by agencies and PSO were submitted, the CJ counsel appeared extremely agitated and disturbed. The tv coverage of that day and soon after clearly shows that state. But after about two days the CJ counsel was back in his usual color. What brought the color back is left to the fair judgment of all. However, we all know that report by agencies which formed the core evidence proved most distasteful to those who were on the other side of the fence. If those evidences had some grains of truth then that should have been considered and thoroughly agitated in the court to reach to the fair judgment. This is what the justice requires. We turn to the old maxim " Justice not only be done but seems to have been done". g. Mr. Sharifuddin Pirzada Words of Wisdim: This veteran jurist in his short but most forceful argument had brilliantly summarized the complete case in few words. Had that been given due thought the facts were not far away to dispense a fair justice. Let us recall those words of wisdom once again. Quote: " RULERS AND CALIPHS HAD BEEN ANSWERABLE OR SUMMONABLE BEFORE COURTS EVEN FOR THEIR PRIVATE MATTERS AS ISLAM PROVIDED ACCOUNTABILITY TO ENSURE RULE OF THE LAW. HAZARAT ALI (AS) WROTE TO THE GOVERNOR OF EGYPT TO EMPHASISE HOW HAZARAT ALI (AS) APPLIED HIS MIND TO THE APPOINTMENT OF QAZIS (JUDGES) BY STATING ONLY THOSE SHOULD BE APPOINTED QAZIS WHO WERE PIOUS, NOT GREEDY AND WHO DID NOT MAKE ERRORS IN THEIR JUDGMENT OR DEVIATE FROM THE TRUTH. FURTHER APPOINTED QAZIS SHOULD BE SUPERVISED ( what intelligence agerncies now do) AND IF FOUND GUILTY SHOULD BE SUSPENDED, DISGRACED AND DISMISSED". unquote After such a forceful argument based on islamic injunction who can argue any further.Reply to Danish Report Thanks Danish Thanvi Dear All,

Please find below an analysis of CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry Reference case seen from a different angle not done by media or our intellectuals.
EX-CJ IFTIKHAR CHAUDHRY REFERENCE CASE – A CRITIQUE

Reading Time: 13 minutes

The judgment by the Supreme Court is now a public property and can be commented upon. I know that the tide of the media flow is against the government and the government seems not to be in a mood to counter. We do not see any genuine effort by neutral persons to analyze the complete episode critically without any bias and favor. May be the media itself is not providing space to any balanced analysis and criticism, a policy they are obliged to follow. A deliberate attempt to look at the complete case from other angle may initiate a healthy debate which is the need of the hour. It is as follows:-

1. Reference Against the CJ is illegal: If the article 209 of the constitution has been followed by the government in filing the reference then it is hard to believe the judgment can be called illegal. The word used in the judgment calling the filing of reference “illegal” leaves no room for “ifs and buts”. Had there been any procedural lapse that should have been pointed out before accepting the reference by the registrar which is a normal judicial practice. May be it has been called “illegal” for the reason that article 209 says judges conduct can be referred to SJC whereas, the filed reference was against the CJ who could not be equated with judges as propounded by Mr. Aitazaz Ahsan. If it is so, then this judgment may lead to judicial chaos of no end. It means that CJ is not included in the category of other judges and if we accept it then CJ is qualified for administrative functions only and he can not sit on the bench constituted for judicial adjudication. There can be many more judicial implications of grave consequences which this judgment may create. Allow me to say that if the judment of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was bad then this judgment is even worse. This judgment has hanged not one man but the whole institution of judiciary has been put to gallows till the count of ten.

2. CJ is not Accountable: The judgment gives a strong message that “CJ is not accountable and he can not be tried by the SJC”. Our learned judges endorsing every word of the judgment need to have serious introspection. If CJ being the head of judiciary is not accountable then President, PM, Head of institutions, COAS, CAS and CNS should also enjoy same privilege. Thus, leaving the poor general public accountable for all the ills of this nation.

3. Affidavits: Apparently feeling has been given that all affidavits whether of CJ or from intelligence agencies and PSO were not taken into consideration but it is hard to believe because legal cases are decided only on the evidence produced. The judgment itself is the affirmation of what the affidavit of CJ asserts whereas all other affidavits were set aside. Why the court decided to ignore all other affidavits may suggest that it did not go with the mindset. The affidavits of intelligence agencies and PSO were testimony of the facts supported by the recorded evidences which could not have been negated, so those were conveniently ignored. Affidavits from both the sides had enough meat to reach to the facts which could have guided this nation to a better future but we have lost the opportunity. As a nation we are not far sighted and look for immediate relief only. This judgment is the proof of our approach to please some people who wanted some embarrassment for the government. To make the CJ case into a movement for pressurizing judiciary, all Bars were activated by the CJ counsel. We are not short of hired pseudo intellectuals (media baby) who took their turn on all private media channels to give momentum to this movement using their myopic wisdom. Who financed this movement which needed a heavy purse was readily available from the looted public money.

4. Intelligence Agencies: The honourable court came hard on intelligence agencies on the pointation of CJ counsel. Why that was done? That could be to nullify the facts contained in the affidavits submitted by the agencies. Needless to say, intelligence agencies are the eyes and ears of any state. They are duty bound to carry out surveillance and report to the authorities with concrete proof. They do their duty with great precision, expertise and professionalism. These agencies keep their watchful eyes at all possible spots which may be President, PM, Ministers, Parliamentarians, Bureaucrats, Professionals, Defence forces, Judiciary and all & sundry. These agencies perform their duty to protect all the boundaries of the state and we should be obliged to them. Those who are innocent should have no fear. To be fair our judiciary should facilitate and appreciate intelligence cover which will protect the stature and standing of all judges and give credence to their judgment. No one then dare say “CHAMAK”, “KANGAROO COURT”, “BRIEF CASE” and “LIFAFA”.

5. CJ Trial By the Judiciary: Gone are the days when honorable judges were not appearing in the public. And, when judging serious public / political cases they confined themselves to the boundary of their home, away from all influencing materials like newspapers, radio and tv. These honorable judges never visited office of executives and other state organs. They spoke through their judgment and never found addressing public and bars as political leaders. We have now seen all these happening. When judicial culture has changed then permit us to say that any judge being tried by judges of their own fraternity lose credibility. It is a serious fall out of the CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry case judgment. We can not rule out that in future political leaders and others may also demand their trial for any charge be done by their own men. One may then ask - do we expect angels to come? Yes, we want angel judges to come if we want fair judgment.

6. CJ Iftikhar Chaudhri Case: Let me summarize some of the events which speak loud of the mindset:-

a. Allowing Supreme Court premises for address by CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry counsel and supportive lawyers: It is incorrect to say that it was a bar meeting. If it was a bar meeting then why the public address system was arranged for listeners sitting out side the premises of the supreme court who were mostly political parties. What happened in that meeting are on record. The language used in that meeting were slur on the sanctity of the supreme court but the honourable judges of the court did not move. They let that happen. When the apex court was physically assaulted and attacked by a political party and all the evidence were available, recorded by media, seen by independent witnesses and even recorded on the court CCTV these evidences were ignored on flimsy ground. When our judiciary can not protect themselves then what protection can they provide to general public. Had the judiciary been effective and those political leaders who were responsible for the attack punished, we would not have seen the misery of this nation which we are seeing today.

b. CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry and his counsel were given free hand to influence the bar members, political parties and general public to organize a movement to pressurize the court hearing the case against CJ. It can happen only in Pakistan. If this is the modus operandi to get judgment of choice from the court then days are not far off when members of political parties will paralyze city and town as was done by the lawyer community. Any one having clout may also get judgment in favour. It also implies that show of brute power is the key to get the judiciary approval. Who says that this bold judgment has buried the martial law for ever? No sir, this judgment has sanctified army’s brute force and muscle power in getting favourable judgment if situation so arises. The CJ counsel suggested to the court to use judiciary in the similar way as done by the army when they supported their army chief in promulgating martial law or removing the civil government. It clearly implies that army action to protect General Pervez Musharaf was legally correct approach. Had that not been correct then the CJ counsel dare not advise the court to use the same strategy. The deep silence maintained by the trial court on this suggestion may be the tacit approval of this modus operandi.

c. When movement gained momentum at that critical juncture the court expressed that the judgment will be a good news for the general public. Judgments are not given to please any one. It has to be fair and just, irrespective of the feelings that may have.

d. The Law Secretary was hastily called in anger to explain why some portion of the reference had derogatory language for the honourable judges. The executive was fined and the Law Secretary was de-licenced. Whereas, when the President of the SC Bar threatened to burn the supreme court he was called in the court where Mr. Malik took the stand that he had been quoted out of the context. Then he was asked to submit it in writing. On his appearing next day, he excused to the court by saying that that was slip of the tongue. Our judges were magnanimous in dealing with the Bar President but did not think so when Law Secretary appeared. Those who watched the TV(Geo/ARY) just after the judgment was announced may recall that Mr. Malik, the President of the SC Bar in an interview with the media smilingly admitted that he did that intentionally to maintain pressure on the court or words to that effect.

e. Advise to CJ Counsel: The court on one occasion spoke to CJ counsel saying ” AS A FRIEND WE ADVISE YOU TO RE-CONSIDER YOUR AGITATIONAL STRATEGY OF BAR ADDRESS BY THE CJ” or words to that effect. How supportive or detrimental is calling a counsel of one party as “friend” during the court proceeding needs no elaboration. Moreover, that advice was indicative of the mounting pressure used by the CJ counsel to influence the judgment process of the case. Had that not been so then the court should have warned and directed CJ counsel to stop agitational movement of the lawyers. When the judgment process of the court is being influenced by a party then court do not advise or request but orders the concerned party to stop influencing the court. The court never minces words in passing such orders but nothing of the sort was done.

f. Evidences of the Affidavits: Soon after affidavits by agencies and PSO were submitted, the CJ counsel appeared extremely agitated and disturbed. The tv coverage of that day and soon after clearly shows that state. But after about two days the CJ counsel was back in his usual color. What brought the color back is left to the fair judgment of all. However, we all know that report by agencies which formed the core evidence proved most distasteful to those who were on the other side of the fence. If those evidences had some grains of truth then that should have been considered and thoroughly agitated in the court to reach to the fair judgment. This is what the justice requires. We turn to the old maxim ” Justice not only be done but seems to have been done”.

g. Mr. Sharifuddin Pirzada Words of Wisdim: This veteran jurist in his short but most forceful argument had brilliantly summarized the complete case in few words. Had that been given due thought the facts were not far away to dispense a fair justice. Let us recall those words of wisdom once again. Quote: ” RULERS AND CALIPHS HAD BEEN ANSWERABLE OR SUMMONABLE BEFORE COURTS EVEN FOR THEIR PRIVATE MATTERS AS ISLAM PROVIDED ACCOUNTABILITY TO ENSURE RULE OF THE LAW. HAZARAT ALI (AS) WROTE TO THE GOVERNOR OF EGYPT TO EMPHASISE HOW HAZARAT ALI (AS) APPLIED HIS MIND TO THE APPOINTMENT OF QAZIS (JUDGES) BY STATING ONLY THOSE SHOULD BE APPOINTED QAZIS WHO WERE PIOUS, NOT GREEDY AND WHO DID NOT MAKE ERRORS IN THEIR JUDGMENT OR DEVIATE FROM THE TRUTH. FURTHER APPOINTED QAZIS SHOULD BE SUPERVISED ( what intelligence agerncies now do) AND IF FOUND GUILTY SHOULD BE SUSPENDED, DISGRACED AND DISMISSED”. unquote

After such a forceful argument based on islamic injunction who can argue any further.Reply to Danish
Report

Thanks

Danish Thanvi

]]> By: Farid Masood http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-49690 Farid Masood Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:40:18 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-49690 Aashique of Musharraf You should come out with your own views, How can you say that 85% nation is "BEGHAIRAT", this is a power game and will of more than 90% people have never been respected Aashique of Musharraf

You should come out with your own views, How can you say that 85% nation is “BEGHAIRAT”, this is a power game and will of more than 90% people have never been respected

]]> By: Aashique of Musharraf http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-49260 Aashique of Musharraf Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:35:23 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-49260 Farid/Salim, Don’t go on idiotic surveys of 85%, 95%, 35%. This is the extreme of stupidity if anyone believe such surveys. Most of the surveys were conducted by Musharraf bashers and those people/sources who could not get any benefit from Musharraf or by people/sources who Musharraf has dented their designs they were supposed to play against Pakistan. Your 20000 lawyers long march could not to do anything. Now they the lawyer’s movement in the graveyard. Well done Musharraf! Pakistanis are proud of You You can not gather 10000 (only) people to take them to presidency and remove President from there. 85% people against Musharraf! Ha Ha Ha biggest joke since March 2007. If really 85% people against Musharraf and they could not do anything to rmove him I think they are the most BEGHAIRAT people of the world. Musharraf has blood of his father in his veins, he has said that he will live here and he will die here. He is a born soldier not like other mean, shameless, conscienceless, plunderer of national wealth who ranaway to other countries to save their a** and then come back as soon as they got the opportunity to suck nation’s blood again. These FB’s wanted to remove Musharraf so that they will start looting the country again freely. By the way why you guys not writng against this coalition govts. failures and time is not far when people were start saying Bring back Musharraf and his team they were much better than these stupid democratic people. BYE BYE Farid/Salim,

Don’t go on idiotic surveys of 85%, 95%, 35%. This is the extreme of stupidity if anyone believe such surveys. Most of the surveys were conducted by Musharraf bashers and those people/sources who could not get any benefit from Musharraf or by people/sources who Musharraf has dented their designs they were supposed to play against Pakistan.

Your 20000 lawyers long march could not to do anything. Now they the lawyer’s movement in the graveyard. Well done Musharraf! Pakistanis are proud of You

You can not gather 10000 (only) people to take them to presidency and remove President from there.

85% people against Musharraf! Ha Ha Ha biggest joke since March 2007.

If really 85% people against Musharraf and they could not do anything to rmove him I think they are the most BEGHAIRAT people of the world.

Musharraf has blood of his father in his veins, he has said that he will live here and he will die here. He is a born soldier not like other mean, shameless, conscienceless, plunderer of national wealth who ranaway to other countries to save their a** and then come back as soon as they got the opportunity to suck nation’s blood again.

These FB’s wanted to remove Musharraf so that they will start looting the country again freely.

By the way why you guys not writng against this coalition govts. failures and time is not far when people were start saying Bring back Musharraf and his team they were much better than these stupid democratic people.

BYE BYE

]]> By: Farid Masood http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-48785 Farid Masood Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:49:17 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-48785 Talal Hussain Malik You are very right, I am eye witness of that 'Poor Show' of 12th May, Hiaces with a baaner at front and having 4 to 5 persons in each one were en-route to Islamabad. Every particpant was paid from Rs 500 to Rs 1,000 and free lunch to participate in that Poor Show where our president waved hand and said" We have shown power in Islamabad and Karachi' while Karachi was burning in Human Blood and Islamabad was rocked with not more than 30,000 hired people. You know Mr Talal many of them went murree on that paid trip and did never reach Islamabad. Talal Hussain Malik

You are very right, I am eye witness of that ‘Poor Show’ of 12th May, Hiaces with a baaner at front and having 4 to 5 persons in each one were en-route to Islamabad. Every particpant was paid from Rs 500 to Rs 1,000 and free lunch to participate in that Poor Show where our president waved hand and said” We have shown power in Islamabad and Karachi’ while Karachi was burning in Human Blood and Islamabad was rocked with not more than 30,000 hired people.

You know Mr Talal many of them went murree on that paid trip and did never reach Islamabad.

]]> By: Hawk http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-48397 Hawk Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:58:59 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-48397 Are we witnessing a multiple personality here from this "aashique" of Mush? Some of you folks have too much time on your hands... or is it that you sit in front of your old computer and looking at ways to make money from Mush or whoever it may be? I did not realize that how counterproductive some of your posters can be. When doing a job, do it right or just stay silent! Get a life "Aashique" and stop playing these silly games. And oh please stop this copy and pasting! You sound more and more like a disillusioned old bafoon. I wish this blog had a ignore button, so I do not have read silly and idiotic remarks by some of these posters. Are we witnessing a multiple personality here from this “aashique” of Mush? Some of you folks have too much time on your hands… or is it that you sit in front of your old computer and looking at ways to make money from Mush or whoever it may be? I did not realize that how counterproductive some of your posters can be. When doing a job, do it right or just stay silent!

Get a life “Aashique” and stop playing these silly games. And oh please stop this copy and pasting! You sound more and more like a disillusioned old bafoon.

I wish this blog had a ignore button, so I do not have read silly and idiotic remarks by some of these posters.

]]> By: Aashique of Musharraf http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-48342 Aashique of Musharraf Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:52:09 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-48342 Farid/Salim, Don't go on idiotic surveys of 85%, 95%, 35%. This is the extreme of stupidity if anyone believe such surveys. Most of the surveys were conducted by Musharraf bashers and those people/sources who could not get any benefit from Musharraf or by people/sources who Musharraf has dented their designs they were supposed to play against Pakistan. Your 20000 lawyers long march could not to do anything. Now they the lawyer's movement in the graveyard. Well done Musharraf! Pakistanis are proud of You You can not gather 10000 (only) people to take them to presidency and remove President from there. 85% people against Musharraf! Ha Ha Ha biggest joke since March 2007. If really 85% people against Musharraf and they could not do anything to rmove him I think they are the most BEGHAIRAT people of the world. Musharraf has blood of his father in his veins, he has said that he will live here and he will die here. He is a born soldier not like other mean, shameless, conscienceless, plunderer of national wealth who ranaway to other countries to save their a** and then come back as soon as they got the opportunity to suck nation's blood again. These FB's wanted to remove Musharraf so that they will start looting the country again freely. By the way why you guys not writng against this coalition govts. failures and time is not far when people were start saying Bring back Musharraf and his team they were much better than these stupid democratic people. Farid/Salim,

Don’t go on idiotic surveys of 85%, 95%, 35%. This is the extreme of stupidity if anyone believe such surveys. Most of the surveys were conducted by Musharraf bashers and those people/sources who could not get any benefit from Musharraf or by people/sources who Musharraf has dented their designs they were supposed to play against Pakistan.

Your 20000 lawyers long march could not to do anything. Now they the lawyer’s movement in the graveyard. Well done Musharraf! Pakistanis are proud of You

You can not gather 10000 (only) people to take them to presidency and remove President from there.

85% people against Musharraf! Ha Ha Ha biggest joke since March 2007.

If really 85% people against Musharraf and they could not do anything to rmove him I think they are the most BEGHAIRAT people of the world.

Musharraf has blood of his father in his veins, he has said that he will live here and he will die here. He is a born soldier not like other mean, shameless, conscienceless, plunderer of national wealth who ranaway to other countries to save their a** and then come back as soon as they got the opportunity to suck nation’s blood again.

These FB’s wanted to remove Musharraf so that they will start looting the country again freely.

By the way why you guys not writng against this coalition govts. failures and time is not far when people were start saying Bring back Musharraf and his team they were much better than these stupid democratic people.

]]> By: Aashique of Musharraf http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-48340 Aashique of Musharraf Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:51:19 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-48340 Farid/Salim, Don't go on idiotic surveys of 85%, 95%, 35%. This is the extreme of stupidity if anyone believe such surveys. Most of the surveys were conducted by Musharraf bashers and those people/sources who could not get any benefit from Musharraf or by people/sources who Musharraf has dented their designs they were supposed to play against Pakistan. Your 20000 lawyers long march could not to do anything. Now they the lawyer's movement in the graveyard. Well done Musharraf! You can not gather 10000 (only) people to take them to presidency and remove President from there. 85% people against Musharraf! Ha Ha Ha biggest joke since March 2007. If really 85% people against Musharraf and they could not do anything to rmove him I think they are the most BEGHAIRAT people of the world. Musharraf has blood of his father in his veins, he has said that he will live here and he will die here. He is a born soldier not like other mean, shameless, conscienceless, plunderer of national wealth who ranaway to other countries to save their a** and then come back as soon as they got the opportunity to suck nation's blood again. These FB's wanted to remove Musharraf so that they will start looting the country again freely. By the way why you guys not writng against this coalition govts. failures and time is not far when people were start saying Bring back Musharraf and his team they were much better than these stupid democratic people. Farid/Salim,

Don’t go on idiotic surveys of 85%, 95%, 35%. This is the extreme of stupidity if anyone believe such surveys. Most of the surveys were conducted by Musharraf bashers and those people/sources who could not get any benefit from Musharraf or by people/sources who Musharraf has dented their designs they were supposed to play against Pakistan.

Your 20000 lawyers long march could not to do anything. Now they the lawyer’s movement in the graveyard. Well done Musharraf!

You can not gather 10000 (only) people to take them to presidency and remove President from there.

85% people against Musharraf! Ha Ha Ha biggest joke since March 2007.

If really 85% people against Musharraf and they could not do anything to rmove him I think they are the most BEGHAIRAT people of the world.

Musharraf has blood of his father in his veins, he has said that he will live here and he will die here. He is a born soldier not like other mean, shameless, conscienceless, plunderer of national wealth who ranaway to other countries to save their a** and then come back as soon as they got the opportunity to suck nation’s blood again.

These FB’s wanted to remove Musharraf so that they will start looting the country again freely.

By the way why you guys not writng against this coalition govts. failures and time is not far when people were start saying Bring back Musharraf and his team they were much better than these stupid democratic people.

]]> By: Saleem Khan http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-48257 Saleem Khan Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:13:36 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-48257 I also endorse about comments. His 12 may power show was fully financed by Government of Pakistan. People were hired on Rs100 + 2 time meals and free pick and drop to reach Islamabad to see him behind green colour bullet proof glass. On other hand, Mushi also annonced unofficial holiday for all law and order agencies in Karachi so he and his allies can play blood game on the streets on karachi. Geo Musharraf....Maha Bay sharam bun ker. I have never seen such a shame proof person ever in my life. Geo Musharraf Army House main.... Humaray Tukroon per. I also endorse about comments. His 12 may power show was fully financed by Government of Pakistan. People were hired on Rs100 + 2 time meals and free pick and drop to reach Islamabad to see him behind green colour bullet proof glass. On other hand, Mushi also annonced unofficial holiday for all law and order agencies in Karachi so he and his allies can play blood game on the streets on karachi.

Geo Musharraf….Maha Bay sharam bun ker. I have never seen such a shame proof person ever in my life.

Geo Musharraf Army House main…. Humaray Tukroon per.

]]> By: Talal Hussain Malik http://www.pkhope.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-48241 Talal Hussain Malik Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:02:48 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/judges-issues-impeachment-foreign-policy-and-pakistani-voters/#comment-48241 So its going to be a rally now in support of Musharraf. Nice idea for Mush lovers but who is getting paid this time. Last year in June I was there at Supreme Court when Chaudhry sahab had come out with cronies to show the power, the cronies included ruffians and scoundrels you could tell from their faces. Other who had gathered to add to this multitude of the scum of the country were Patwaaris, ADPPs, DDPPs (i.e. Additional and Deputy Public Prosecutors). They were paid Rs. 5000 to Rs.8000 for the participation alongwith a free night stay at different hotels and free dinner and lunch. Geo Musharraf sada geo!! So its going to be a rally now in support of Musharraf. Nice idea for Mush lovers but who is getting paid this time. Last year in June I was there at Supreme Court when Chaudhry sahab had come out with cronies to show the power, the cronies included ruffians and scoundrels you could tell from their faces. Other who had gathered to add to this multitude of the scum of the country were Patwaaris, ADPPs, DDPPs (i.e. Additional and Deputy Public Prosecutors). They were paid Rs. 5000 to Rs.8000 for the participation alongwith a free night stay at different hotels and free dinner and lunch.

Geo Musharraf sada geo!!

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