ISI cleared of Mumbai involvement
By fzuberi • Dec 26th, 2008 • Category: Politics, Worth A Second Look • 13 CommentsThu, 18 Dec 2008 10:13:35 GMT
The FBI has cleared Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of any
involvement in last month’s terror attack on India’s financial hub.
After interrogating the sole surviving gunman, The Federal Bureau of
Investigation (FBI) concluded that the ISI was cleared of any
involvement in the Mumbai terror attacks on November 26, Pakistani
daily The Dawn quoted diplomatic sources as saying on Thursday.
Pakistani Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab was among a group of 10 armed men
who went on a shooting rampage in more than 10 sites, including two
luxury hotels, in Mumbai.
Citing other sources, The Dawn said investigations had also revealed
that the attackers had crossed the border from Pakistan, where the
well-orchestrated plot was sketched by the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).
The ISI was accused of being involved in the Mumbai attacks due to its
past associations with the LeT, which received CIA and ISI support to
fight the soviet-backed government in Afghanistan.
The CIA had built extensive bases for the LeT in Pakistan and
Afghanistan to train thousands of guerrilla fighters, according to
Frontline magazine.
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has repeated asked India for
concrete proof implicating the LeT in the attack, as tension between
the two neighbors intensifies.
The nuclear-armed nations already have a history of three wars since
independence from Britain in 1947.
Implicating a nation without concrete proof is itself an act of irresponsibility, not
mentioning the nation is nuclear power.
Such behavior reflects total lack of concern, when such actions may pull the two powers
to war, or might turn the area into a desert.
This blaming policy to achieve cheap popularity in this particularly violent of times will
lead to things not pleasant for either side.
Lets honestly try to see what really happened, in those hours in Bombay when a couple
of young lads took over the financial hub of the champion of democracy (a sham) and
why they killed the Anti-terrorist Squad chief, who was at the time currently working
against a lot of people who were in the Govt.
Were these really working for an enemy overseas, or one within?
I think that should be the most important question in the minds of the concerned
Indians ?
-peace
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Zuberi we as nation and ISI as our integral part do not need certificates so to prove our clearance from any such self designed Indian pasting of abashment and bogus fraudulent subversive and overt/ subvert acts against Pakistan.
Pakistan is always under rule and legacy of submissive and peaceful behavior and its focus has core point of defense and safeguards its own entity without negligence and subverts practices of maligning and conspirating means as, behavior.
India is always under the believe of rule as blame against Pakistan and especially ISI which is the most pinching point for India , as resistance to her malicious intent.
What has been certified as cleared was a known fact and only insane could second the dictated and dramatized concept of Indian version of falsification.
LOL @ above.
Captain Raider,
I think you have been taken for a ride by your print and electronic media. When did FBI clear your self proclaimed innocent ISI from involvement in the Mumbai attack? Do you have a copy of a classified material or did your inept government provide you with this information.
Just incase you need any information about the investigation please get in touch with Debbie Lopes. She is the public information officer in FBI who divulges any information. Incase you want to know the clear picture write a letter to her and don’t just believe in symantics and rhetrics, unless you really don’t want to know the truth.
I was very concerned with your troop mobilisation and the air sorties you conducted. All this war mongering by you guys is not good. Its really not good. I heard you guys are also getting your nukes in strategic locations. Please convince Kayani not to nuke us and meanwhile i’ll tell the Prime Minister of India not to nuke you guys. Nuclear is bad, really really bad. Please Please Please LOL.
Sheikh,
When did your govt. provide you with a copy of ‘confidential material’ that you are typing away like a moron here. Do you in your person have the proof of our involvement.
When you believe in here say why do you object to others?
And yes war is bad. Lets hope that your pathetic govt. also listens to you.
And in the meanwhile work on getting your hands on the ‘proof’ that you so excitedly take for granted.
I believe you were this sure too when your trains was bombed and ISI was blamed. But what happened? If i recall correctly it was ONE OF YOUR OWN!!!!!! Remember you buddy peruhit?
Go talk to your media about this. lets see how courageous you are.
ISI cannot even operate effectively in Pakistan let alone it will plan and execute activities in other countries. How come all the evidence were gathered within hours of attack indicating ISI and Pakistan’s involvement in these attacks.
Ahmed,
ISI was behind creating of Afghani jihadi’s during the soviet war.
ISI is behind the Kashmiri militants this has been accepted by ex-ISI chief himself.
ISI supports Taliban both in terms of money and weapons.
MK,
India has gathered some proof, US, and UK has also gathered few proofs but your govt. says they are not enough.
SO CAN YOU ASK YOUR GOVT, WHAT PROOF IS REQUIRED AND WE WILL GIVE YOU THAT.
At least India acts and tries to find out the people for some act, but Pakistan was given proof after 2001 attack on Indian Parliament, Pakistan did not do anything. India has given proof this time also NOW LETS SEE WHAT YOUR PAKISTAN IS GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT EXCEPT FOR DENYING.
Whoever you are by the intials MK. I thought it wasn’t a slugfest over here.
You getting intimidated is your problem, but you cannot use profanity on me. So behave like a civilised human being unless you represent a failed state.
And lets not talk about courage because the easiest thing to do over here is abuse anyone you like, but its a different story when you got to do the same face to face.
Zuberi,
Capt (R)Dr RazaHaider at #1 above says it all.
You writing is [dil ko choo janay wali haey] . very nice presentation but its title: ISI cleared of…. Mumbai blame. Pakistan does not get any certificate from any one.I must say that it may not be your intension but it has been put up there with out giving it a due—thought.
Please don’t take it that it is to snub you; but just think by giving such like title whose line… we may be toeing? This title is western media language; who are desperate to see that Pakistan Army be blamed for orchestrating all the terrorist actions in the prevalent situation of Global war against terrorism. Pakistan is the target and Pakistan Army stands in the way to check this western hegemonic designs. ISI are the eyes and ears of Pakistan and Pakistan Army. As a first step ISI is being singled out to be maligned with intent to declare it as Terrorist organisation. Then is Pak Army’s turn. They may not blame you out rightly but will always push you over step by step.
Nincompoop government of Zardari is already side lined as an insignificant identity for their series of failures on diplomatic front. We all have to remain very alert.
They say pen is mightier than sword and now a days the facilities of internet available right in our houses and work places is the gate way which leads us to our goals and the targets to conquer. All the Pakistanis who could write even few words and can come up on any or sites like TPS are the great assets of Pakistan.
With each and every move and any word we write should go for the betterment and cementing of Pakistan causes.
Any how, thanks for giving us such an insight of ISI with your such a good writing.
May God bless you
Happy new year and Wish you all the best in your life.
Regards
Sameer Shaikh,
God Almighty clearly admonishes Muslims in; Quran, Chapter 8 -Al-Infal: Verse 60
“And make ready for them whatever you can of armed force and of mounted pickets at the frontier, whereby you may frighten the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you know not, but Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah, it shall be repaid to you in full and you shall not be wronged.”
Deterrent and Deterrent is the only answer which guarantees the peace and security in our own lands as well as in our neighbour hood. The deterring arsenals must be kept ready like the way Scorpions do and keep it ready charged at their tails all the times. Such like show of deterrence may forbid even the arch rivals turning into adversaries. This is the best way to make peace prevail in any neighbour hood and in the world at large.
In any case; the deterring aresenals that we keep are mean to be praded and brought forward for use when we ever fele necessary. Pakistan need not to ask any one. In any case we are not keeping them for— pooja pot.
Any how there is latest developement. The cat is out of the bag that Mumbai massacre was just a Indian ploy to implicate Pakistan. Pakistan Foriegn Minster Shah Mahmoud Qureshi gave a policy statement today.
Link here; http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/3912524.cms
Regards
#9
OOOPS- Correction second last para.
For:
[In any case; the deterring aresenals that we keep are mean to be praded and brought forward for use when we ever fele necessary. Pakistan need not to ask any one. In any case we are not keeping them for— pooja pot.]
Please Read:
In any case; the deterring aresenals that we keep are meant to be paraded and brought forward for use when ever we feel necessary. Pakistan need not to ask any one. In any case we are not keeping them for— pooja pot.
Thanks
Khokar,
Your detterance is another way of blackmailing. You’ll live in the shadow of detterance and continue to wage a low intensity war on India. Sometimes i believe if thats the strategy India needs to adopt but then i feel there should be something that diffrentiates a responsible nation against a Failed state. (Hum Dushmani mein bhi Sharafat rakte hain, Aur ye Farq hona chahiye). I know that a low intensity war suits Pakistan rather than a full scale war. But there is a silver lining in all of these. It just makes us more resiliant and work towards improving our homeland security. Going by the Koranic versus, Allah should be against Pakistan who propagate terror and send in mercenaries to kill innocent,unarmed civilians.
When you are caught and get naked you’ll live in the state of denial. Well keep going with more of this, i’m sure you’ll do better than Sudan one day.
Dear Saleem Shaikh,
If you simply don’t know that Pakistan has never exported terrorism then you don’t know for what Pakistan stands for. You need to know the real picture, in its real prospect that what Pakistan is facing. If I say that Pakistan is not only fighting a war for herself only but is fighting a war for India also; it may make you laugh in a way (under the present given Pakistan’s perception) but Only if you try to give a closer look and see beyond the smoke screen; which is meant to enable and sustain the so called ‘global war on terror’, the thing will start becoming very clear for you.
About Peace; well this can only be sustained if both the sides accept the terms of peace on equal terms and mutual self respect. Dalit and Brahman can never be at peace except that Dalit, as required of him in India culture accept of his being subdued and inhuman status. He accepts willingly as per the terms imposed on him by other oppressing creeds of higher status.
Status of other minorities in India is also not very different from Dalits.
If you are a Muslim; then you will be aware of it that Islam shuns all such evils. Pakistan itself came into being on the same very footing.
We must live by truth; it is our best healer.
This bears repeating here…
A Pakistani was arguing with an Indian that a crow is not black. The Indian tried to convince the Pakistani, and finally out of his frustration, he caught a crow and showed it to the Pakistani, and asked him to admit that a crow is black in colour. To his utter astonishment, the Pakistani said this is not crow.
Extract from http://www.carnegieendowment.org/files/120908_bombay%20transcript%20checked.pdf
“I just have the following points to make. Firstly, this is the first time investigations have involved friendly powers whose citizens were targeted: the British, the Americans, and the Israelis. So there is no question of India cooking up cases as some people are given to making. And much of the evidence you’ll find that is coming out of Washington, the evidence of ISI involvement in the attack on our embassy in Kabul came out from Washington and from Kabul, not from Delhi.
On the Lashkar and the groups involved themselves, I will just say this: we are constantly told what is the evidence. When we give evidence about the Jaish-e-Mohammed attacking our parliament on December 13, 2001, there were flat denials. Yet on March 6, 2004, General Javed Ashraf Qazi, former director general of the ISI, then Pakistan’s minister for railways, said the following — and I quote him in Pakistan’s Parliament, and he said, we must admit that the Jaish-e-Mohammed has been involved in the killing of thousands of innocent Kashmiris, the attack on the Indian Parliament, the murder of Daniel Pearl, and an attempt to assassinate General Musharraf. So I don’t know what further evidence we can provide for Maulana Masood Azhar and others to be prosecuted when Pakistan’s former ISI chief makes this solemn assurance in the floor of Pakistan’s Parliament and General Qazi is still a serving senator.
Similarly, in the case of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, I don’t know what evidence we should provide, because it’s all there in Pakistan. Shortly after the attack on the Red Fort in Delhi where civilians were killed, Hafeez Mohammed Saeed went in public in a meeting at which Maulana Masood Azhar and Qazi Husain Ahmed were present and acknowledged it very proudly that he had planted the Pakistani flag on the Red Fort, which was the ruling place of the country’s past Muslim rulers. So what more evidence do we need to provide? Anybody who reads the Da’wa magazine brought out by the Lashkar-e-Taiba, I think on a fortnightly basis, will find all the evidence that is needed in that magazine.
And finally, on the Lashkar itself, I would conclude by what Mr. Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s present ambassador to the United States, wrote in an article called, “The Ideologies of South Asian Jihad and Jihadi Groups.” And he says there that the Lashkar-e-Taiba has adopted a maximalist agent for global — agenda for global jihad. The elite or the army of the pure, he said, is backed by Saudi money and protected by Pakistani intelligence services. This is not an Indian — this is Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States. So I don’t think that there is any further evidence.
My own view is we are keeping a close watch on what is happening, the arrests which are said to have been made, but are then denied. And ultimately, I think we will have to — there can be no compromise on one thing: the infrastructure of terrorism, which includes the Jaish-e-Mohammed, the Lashkar-e-Taiba, whatever, the Jaish-e-Mohammed assumes a new name, the Lashkar-e-Taiba assumes a new name, and the United Jihad Council, they will have to be shut down irrevocably, if necessary mandated under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1373.
And then, we can go back to a very positive process, which we are engaged in, where we had met substantial progress, in fact even on nuclear confidence building measures, we had agreed in 2004 that our respective nuclear arsenals constitute a force for strategic stability, especially after the doctrine was spread out by General Kiyani. So there is a huge scope for getting back to a normal relationship. But we aren’t going to accept any more Mumbais. Thank you.”