Asad.

1))YOU SAY:-

“”"”"you saying like your economyt is very stable lol .. comments about mentioned great statistics ..read with open mind.”"”"”"

READ MY ABOVE COMMENT and remember one thing:-

“statistics are like bikinis…….they hide the vital part”…………

2))))YOU SAY:
“”"these reports are bogus.”"”"

certainly NOT.
Your army is bogus…….your ISI spreads disinformation among the pakistanis and they blindly follow those disinformations.

A section of pakistanis DONT trust their media………BUT THEY TRUST THE DISINFORMATION SPREAD BY ISI AND PAK. GOVT.

Many generations of pakistanis GREW UP WITH INDIA/HINDU HATE build in them…………now they cannot DIGEST truth. pure and simple.

3))))i am not denying those reports………but whats stopping u guys from GOING TO THE TRIBUNAL?????

4))))Now about kashmir.

You say:-

“”Turning it into another Afghanistan will be much better than doing massacre like India is doing right now”"

Turning kashmir into afghanistan might be good for pakistan…………BUT NOT FOR INDIA.

Kashmir problem could have been solved peacefull but u guys PUT TERRORISTS IN KASHMIR AND ALMOST DESTROYED THAT POSSIBILITY.

U guys thought that india will bleed in kashmir to death…….but we turned the tables……….now slowly
and surely TALIBAN AND J&K TERROR GROUPS are forming an alliance based on their extremist ideology………..a lethal combination for pakistan………dont get surprised if the “so called freedom fighters” start causing trouble for pakistan.

1)))))Lets talk abt INDIAN ECONOMY.

you say:

“”"”"”"”Economy of india!???? Ha!Ha!Ha! the biggest joke of the century. Did not you see how the economy bubble of india burst so quick??”"”"”"”"”

where is the “bubble”?????when did it “burst”?????

WORST CASE SCENARIO for india is a 7% growth rate in the current eco downturn.

Even chinese growth rate have COME DOWN from 11-12% to 9%.

india’s from 9% to 7%………..still making it the SECOND FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY.

INFLATION (price rise) in pakistan is 25%.

in india its 11- 12 PERCENT.

Its an ECONOMIC DOWNTURN time. Every country will suffer. India is no exception Even while suffering INDIA WILL PERFORM BETTER THEN OTHERS……….But after 1 or 2 years when global economy improves INDIA WILL BE BACK TO PREVIOUS LEVELS.

2))))))Let me tell YOU A STORY.

As india is a MUCH LARGER COUNTRY than pakistan…….so lets consider the following case:

Suppose india has 100 mangoes. 30 of them are ROTTEN.
Now suppose pakistan has 10 mangoes . 5 of them are ROTTEN.

In this situation, PAKISTANIS LIKE YOU WILL SAY:-

“LOOK INDIA HAS 30 ROTTEN MANGOES………BUT PAKISTAN HAS ONLY 5……..SO WE(pakistanis) MUST BE BETTER THEN THEM ”

But the fact is india also has 70 GOOD MANGOES………WHEREAS PAKISTAN HAS ONLY 5.

Look which country is in better condition.

Now YOU SAY:-

“”"”"indians are the most starving people of the world and 350 million indians dying of hunger.”"”"”"

Man, india is a country of 1200 million. What abt the REMAINING 850 MILLION INDIANS.??????

India has WORLD’S LARGEST MIDDLE CLASS OF ABT 350 MILLION PEOPLE…

3))))))ACCORDING TO YOUR FIGURES:-

“”"”"”hose below $1.25 per day — for India had come down from 59.8% in 1981 to 51.3% by 1990 or 8.5 percentage points over nine years. Between 1990 and 2005, it declined to 41.6%, a drop of 9.7 percentage points over 15 years”"”"”"…………JUST SEE ITS DECLINING.

India do have TREMENDOUS LEVELS OF POVERTY but that will not stop us from economic development.

DANIEL LAK , a journalist for BBC worked in the indian subcontinent FOR 20 YEARS many of them as SOUTH ASIA CORRESPONDENT OF BBC based in NEW DELHI says ::-

“”Problems,pitfalls,doubts and perhaps several crisis will spring up as india’s express barrels along .Unforeseen enviromental ,human and man-made catastrophes will take their toll BUT india will CONFOUND THE SCEPTICS AND OVERCOME THE ODDS COME WHAT MAY”"

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YOU SAY:-

“”"”"it’s a shame for india to send rocket to moon ( i don’t believe it was a rocket the shape was like a TEEN KA DABBA) I think after few months it will be disclosed to the world that inda aerospace had just made a joke!!”"”"”

You are making a fool of urself by making such comments.

“The opportunity to fly NASA instruments on Chandrayaan-1 undoubtedly will lead to important scientific discoveries,” NASA Administrator Michael Griffin said. “This exciting collaboration represents an important next step in what we hope to be a long and mutually beneficial relationship with India in future civil space exploration.”

The space craft has 11 scientific instruments ,6 from india ,2 from NASA, 1 from bulgaria and 2 from European space agency……………

all these agencies trust the capabilities of INDIAN SPACE AGENCY.

READ MY FIRST POST IN THIS FORUM………………..

U speak like those PTV anchors of 90s.

Every nation and every religion has seen the rise and fall, We Muslims have seen the fall for more then 2 centuries ,now its your turn, you people tried everything to stop islam from growing but it is speeading with the speed that your ancestor cant even imagine. We are going to get bankrupt lets watch if you get bankrupt or not , you saying like your economyt is very stable lol .. comments about mentioned great statistics ..read with open mind.
Brown men of India lmao

2)

By the way , HAMUDUR REHAMAN was the CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTANI SUPREME COURT IN 1971 so he was certainly NOT doing indian propaganda.

Like i Said I can also give many references from Indian scholars that RAW was involved and mukti bahni did all the raping. We always have traitors so these reports are bogus.

3)You say india is an enemy of islam……….ONLY A SECTION OF PAKISTANIS think that way…………………….
IRANIAN PREZ AHMEDINIJAD certainly DONT think so…….he says:-
”Iran and India, should bolster mutual ties, making themselves prepared for major developments worldwide and filling up the power vacuum in the region,”” Ahmadinejad said.
Palestinians certainly DONT think so.

majority of Pakistani see India as there enemy and they should , don’t give me what ahmadijead is saying please .This is about pak and india.

4)YOU SAY
PLZ go to the TRIBUNAL.

Read the newspaper and reports for the past month .. can you deny what India is doing stopping and then flooding our rivers.

5)
As far as kashmir is concerned……..its an integral part of india…..no compromise with the UNITY AND INTEGRITY of india……………..

why should we give independence to kashmir?so that you guys can turn it into ANOTHER AFGANISHTAN………………

Turning it into another Afghanistan will be much better than doing massacre like India is doing right now .. If this is your part why do you point gun at the people why do you rape women , kill children ? Integral part lol

Look at china……..china will NEVER give independence to tibet……..by the way why is pakistan silent on it???

China still occupy your land what are you going to do about it ?

Don’t make these claims to deviate from the point.

The fact India will not accept a stable Pakistan. she will do whatever to destabilize it by sponsoring terrorist , blocking water , killing Kashmirs and most of all using her Media for a massive Propaganda against Pakistan..

Why don’t you show the areas in India which want independence from india.. separatist in Assam and other , what about khalistan those sikh and that massacre you did at their shrine ? why your media hide that ? can you give any answer of what happened in Gujrat , what you are doing with Christians ?

You believe a lot on newspapers stories_ so after reading an excerpt from below you must agree with the contents (by the way this not from Jang but from Times of india) and accept the fact that Kashmir never belongs to india. .

Now your intellectuals understood that indian army can’t hold Kashmir for long on gun points.
This is a response to your so called claim over Kashmir and there are many more to come to expose the real face of hypocrisy of india.

Independence Day for Kashmir
17 Aug 2008, 0338 hrs IST, Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar

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On August 15, India celebrated independence from the British Raj. But Kashmiris staged a bandh demanding independence from India. A day symbolising
the end of colonialism in India became a day symbolising Indian colonialism in the Valley.

As a liberal, i dislike ruling people against their will. True, nation-building is a difficult and complex exercise, and initial resistance can give way to the integration of regional aspirations into a larger national identity — the end of Tamil secessionism was a classical example of this.

I was once hopeful of Kashmir’s integration, but after six decades of effort, Kashmiri alienation looks greater than ever. India seeks to integrate with Kashmir, not rule it colonially. Yet, the parallels between British rule in India and Indian rule in Kashmir have become too close for my comfort.

Many Indians say that Kashmir legally became an integral part of India when the maharaja of the state signed the instrument of accession. Alas, such legalisms become irrelevant when ground realities change. Indian kings and princes, including the Mughals, acceded to the British Raj. The documents they signed became irrelevant when Indians launched an independence movement.

The British insisted for a long time that India was an integral part of their Empire, the jewel in its crown, and would never be given up. Imperialist Blimps remained in denial for decades. I fear we are in similar denial on Kashmir.

The politically correct story of the maharaja’s accession ignores a devastating parallel event. Just as Kashmir had a Hindu maharaja ruling over a Muslim majority, Junagadh had a Muslim nawab ruling over a Hindu majority. The Hindu maharaja acceded to India, and the Muslim nawab to Pakistan.

But while India claimed that the Kashmiri accession to India was sacred, it did not accept Junagadh’s accession to Pakistan. India sent troops into Junagadh, just as Pakistan sent troops into Kashmir. The difference was that Pakistan lacked the military means to intervene in Junagadh, while India was able to send troops into Srinagar. The Junagadh nawab fled to Pakistan, whereas the Kashmir maharaja sat tight. India’s double standard on Junagadh and Kashmir was breathtaking.

Do you think the people of Junagadh would have integrated with Pakistan after six decades of genuine Pakistani effort? No? Then can you really be confident that Kashmiris will stop demanding azaadi and integrate with India?

The British came to India uninvited. By contrast, Sheikh Abdullah, the most popular politician in Kashmir, supported accession to India subject to ratification by a plebiscite. But his heart lay in independence for Kashmir, and he soon began manoeuvering towards that end. He was jailed by Nehru, who then declared Kashmir’s accession was final and no longer required ratification by a plebiscite. The fact that Kashmir had a Muslim majority was held to be irrelevant, since India was a secular country empowering citizens through democracy.

Think over it tonght! and accept the ground realities.

1) YOU SAY:-
“”we Muslims ruled you people for ever 1000 years”"

Past is past dude. Think abt the future. Future belongs to the YELLOW MEN OF CHINA and BROWN MEN OF INDIA…………..you guys are on the THRESHOLD OF BANKRUPCY whereas INDIA GOES TO MOON………..

INDIA’S FOREX RESERVES 300 BILLION DOLLARS.

PAKISTAN’S 8 BILLION DOLLARS.

.EVERYTHING is CLEARLY WRITTEN ON THE WALL..

2)

You said:-

“”"”"What happened in Dacca and what RAW sponsored rebellion group( Mukti Bani) did in 1971 is not hidden. Our stories may differ”"”"”

What happened in dacca AND EAST PAKISTAN in 1971 can be read here:-

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/archive/061210/dmag2.htm

HAMUDUR REHAMAN COMMISSION REPORT perfectly nailed the culprits- PAKISTANI ARMY.

By the way , HAMUDUR REHAMAN was the CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTANI SUPREME COURT IN 1971 so he was certainly NOT doing indian propaganda.

3)You say india is an enemy of islam……….ONLY A SECTION OF PAKISTANIS think that way…………………….

IRANIAN PREZ AHMEDINIJAD certainly DONT think so…….he says:-

“”Iran and India, should bolster mutual ties, making themselves prepared for major developments worldwide and filling up the power vacuum in the region,”” Ahmadinejad said.

Palestinians certainly DONT think so.

4)YOU SAY

“”"Which treaty are you talking about ? the treaty Indian breaks every now and then ? Why is India Building dams there, When this is against the treaty? Stopping water etc”"”

PLZ go to the TRIBUNAL.

5)

As far as kashmir is concerned……..its an integral part of india…..no compromise with the UNITY AND INTEGRITY of india……………..

why should we give independence to kashmir?so that you guys can turn it into ANOTHER AFGANISHTAN………………

Look at china……..china will NEVER give independence to tibet……..by the way why is pakistan silent on it???

What India does to Muslims population is not hidden at all. You burn people i think you know your history of burning people and now you are against Christian, you have more rebellion groups than any other country but you media hides it all. and By India I mean Hindus mainly , we Muslims ruled you people for ever 1000 years and your own scholars give example of that and what did you do during partition?

Your MBT(main battle tank is better). YOur submarine has longer range.
You have nukes.
If these things do not give security to you then nothing can.

DO you need these things when you have nukes ? DO you think Pakistan or India will wait for each other to do preemptive nuke strike?

Regarding water. We are both signatory to Indus water treaty.You can go to the TRIBUNAL if we are not following the treaty.Musharaff started this game of opposing everything Indian and his PML(Q) is continuing this tirade.

Which treaty are you talking about ? the treaty Indian breaks every now and then ? Why is India Building dams there, When this is against the treaty? Stopping water etc

Today JAMMAT which is the real enemy (it sided with British during war of independence and opposed Quaid-e - azam.
The bangladeshi jammat sided with pakistani army when it raped the dacca university.It has removed its ARABIC NUMERALS Allahin,Aquimuldin and converted into BANGLADESHI JAMAAT!!The day JAMAAT -e-islami of pakistan leaves the purse strings of Saudies and become a Pakistankii Jamaat, you can be sure Taliban will melt away and you will be free of all the inferiority complex and become a great nation as envisaged by quaid-e-AZAM.

What happened in Dacca and what RAW sponsored rebellion group( Mukti Bani) did in 1971 is not hidden. Our stories may differ.

Why did you ignore my points on Kashmir ? what do you have to say about it?

TO an Indian

1) why EXCEPT pakistan and bangladesh to some extent, EVERY OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRY is pro-india or neutral towards india?

Ony Pakistan Shares that border with India and the wars we had is a clear example why we hate each other. We know that you won’t leave any chance to eat us. You got an oppurtunity to creat bases in Afghanistan after the fall of tailban so that you can attack us from both sides and you are happy with what the situation is.

2)why someone like IRANIAN PREZ AH
MEDINIJAD who makes harsh anti-israel statement all the time………………NEVER says anything against india?

I don’t think you are familiar with the case of Israel. What Israel is to Iran is what India is to Pakistan. You both together are the enemies of the muslims world and this is the example when you tried to attacked our Nulear Facilities in 1980s (can you deny this). You both fear that a Nuclear Islamic Naation is dangerous to both of you. Iran doesn’t have bomb nor does any other muslim nation. and for Iran , they only have economic ties with you and Pakistan also has that.

3)pakistan HATES israel over PALESTINE ISSUE ………but why palestinians NEVER return the favour on kashmir issue????

What does this have to do with Kashmir Issue.. about the Prez Abbas lol .. he is a **** agent what US and abbas did to Hamas is clearly seen that they are not sincere to plaistine. Hamas was elected by people and they were against isreal so US regected a people elected government where is your ****ng democracy now?

LOL you support Plasitien and kill innocent women and children and Kashmir. DOuble standard as alwAYS BY INDIA

and what is Written in Quran is no Doubt true. You people can never be sincere with us.

For the reply to Aqua and blocking of waters.

I know what is weak now and they have less money but the only solution is to go and BOMB the dam that is blocking Pakistani waters

If you reply to my comment please do talk about kashmir issue.

Muslims are MOST OPPRESSED in CHINA……………..still MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD ARE COMPLETELY SILENT ABT IT………………..WHYY????????

Read how pathetically muslims were treated during ramadan in china.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/world/asia/09china.html?emc=rss&partner=rssnyt

What happened to your ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD thing????????………

every muslim worth his salt MUST ANSWER THIS……………