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		<title>By: nazia</title>
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		<dc:creator>nazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>khokar
 you blend different incidents and try to bring conclusion on the same point.Theoretically you might be right but the person who is watching realities step wise cant focus on one point for man made mismanagement.
As per modern rules of management, failures are process of wrong planning, hiring of incompetent personals on important key positions, favoring strong and criminal characters for strengthening long tenure and illegitimate  governance,
Musharf basically lost his game as he allowed US to conduct their war games in our territory.Our people are only reactive when you breached into their houses other wise different  poor management shocks are easily absorbed by our majority.
You can see that zardari govt is giving us very hard times in all ways but people are not gathering against him as we saw at the time of lawyers movement or attack on lal mosque.
So they are reacting on individual basis due to lack of credible leadership and  presence of foreign elements are still dominating among us and our masses are not so strong to topple the corrupt govt through their real power.
You say in another article
We can very well visualize that how Pakistan has been shocked by the man made crisis initiated prior to Elections (in interim government days); with in few months through an economic shock and Judicial turmoil a prosperous flourishing country has since been turned into impoverished one. Stock Markets are experiencing the crashes on daily basis. There are shortages of commodities across the board, infested with hyper inflation. People spend their days lined up in queues under scorching heat for a bag of wheat flour or tin of cooking oil. Suicides are at increase.

Man made crises like power shortages, flour crisis and long queues of people for getting commodities  you mentioned are from govt side.
Stock market crash are game of money lords running the govt indirectly.
lawyers movement and suicide are reaction of group and people toward ruling groups.

So I again say musahrf and any other dictator never assume that they are becoming obsolete or not in position to handle the crisis as super powers behind them give them energy drink of dollar colas and they think they will remain powerful without apprehending the changes going on around them.
So In all dictators' rules this dollar cola is supplied for timely and short term economic balloon which just collapse in few months as it has no foundation.it is also demand of super powers to lay the foundation free structure in our country so at the time of chaos they wipe off their crimes.
Musharf and zardari both are sweepers of super powers just cleansing and justifying wrong acts of US and in return they get huge money for their next kins and safe foreign exiles by leaving behind chaos like situation.
This is what happening around us for last 40 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>khokar<br />
 you blend different incidents and try to bring conclusion on the same point.Theoretically you might be right but the person who is watching realities step wise cant focus on one point for man made mismanagement.<br />
As per modern rules of management, failures are process of wrong planning, hiring of incompetent personals on important key positions, favoring strong and criminal characters for strengthening long tenure and illegitimate  governance,<br />
Musharf basically lost his game as he allowed US to conduct their war games in our territory.Our people are only reactive when you breached into their houses other wise different  poor management shocks are easily absorbed by our majority.<br />
You can see that zardari govt is giving us very hard times in all ways but people are not gathering against him as we saw at the time of lawyers movement or attack on lal mosque.<br />
So they are reacting on individual basis due to lack of credible leadership and  presence of foreign elements are still dominating among us and our masses are not so strong to topple the corrupt govt through their real power.<br />
You say in another article<br />
We can very well visualize that how Pakistan has been shocked by the man made crisis initiated prior to Elections (in interim government days); with in few months through an economic shock and Judicial turmoil a prosperous flourishing country has since been turned into impoverished one. Stock Markets are experiencing the crashes on daily basis. There are shortages of commodities across the board, infested with hyper inflation. People spend their days lined up in queues under scorching heat for a bag of wheat flour or tin of cooking oil. Suicides are at increase.</p>
<p>Man made crises like power shortages, flour crisis and long queues of people for getting commodities  you mentioned are from govt side.<br />
Stock market crash are game of money lords running the govt indirectly.<br />
lawyers movement and suicide are reaction of group and people toward ruling groups.</p>
<p>So I again say musahrf and any other dictator never assume that they are becoming obsolete or not in position to handle the crisis as super powers behind them give them energy drink of dollar colas and they think they will remain powerful without apprehending the changes going on around them.<br />
So In all dictators&#8217; rules this dollar cola is supplied for timely and short term economic balloon which just collapse in few months as it has no foundation.it is also demand of super powers to lay the foundation free structure in our country so at the time of chaos they wipe off their crimes.<br />
Musharf and zardari both are sweepers of super powers just cleansing and justifying wrong acts of US and in return they get huge money for their next kins and safe foreign exiles by leaving behind chaos like situation.<br />
This is what happening around us for last 40 years.</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-685112</link>
		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Doctrine of Disaster being practice in Pakistan.

Link references:

 After Iraq: Manual of ‘Chicago Doctrine’ is opened in Pakistan part 1 and 2.

http://www.pakspectator.com/after-iraq-manual-of-chicago-doctrine-is-opened-in-pakistan/

 http://www.pakspectator.com/after-iraq-manual-of-chicago-doctrine-is-opened-in-pakistan-part-2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Doctrine of Disaster being practice in Pakistan.</p>
<p>Link references:</p>
<p> After Iraq: Manual of ‘Chicago Doctrine’ is opened in Pakistan part 1 and 2.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pakspectator.com/after-iraq-manual-of-chicago-doctrine-is-opened-in-pakistan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pakspectator.com/after-iraq-manual-of-chicago-doctrine-is-opened-in-pakistan/</a></p>
<p> <a href="http://www.pakspectator.com/after-iraq-manual-of-chicago-doctrine-is-opened-in-pakistan-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pakspectator.com/after-iraq-manual-of-chicago-doctrine-is-opened-in-pakistan-part-2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-685110</link>
		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nazia,
# 9
A building may take years to build but it may take just few minutes to raze it to ground. Likewise dacoit may get booty worth millions in hand but it may not last with them for more than couple of days. 

Any how this is known phenomena that-----anything which one gets without pains bears no value. At the time of hand over we have got reserves of some 16 Billion dollars and long ago have also said good bye to IMF. The new comers just took few months to goof up the entire reserves; they say ; maal e muft--- dilay bay rehm.

But here we have got something different on our minds--------the sole idea of new comers has been to discredit the out gone regime and till today this exercise has not been let off. Why so because we have not learnt the basic manners to say thank you to some one. I know of a old professor who daily crosses a bridge to come to shopping centre and every time he passes the bridge;-- Stops there and says thank you to bridge. It may look funny but it does carry an amazing---- wisdom in it. 

Remember when year back we were discussing the Economy of disasters; a special doctrine initiated in President Nixon time by a man known as Milton Friedman and his team called ----Chicago boys. It was tried and tested in chilly through US proxy General Augusto Pinochet, president of Chile and I said that same chapter is opened up here. 

 All the artificial crises like shortage of Atta, sugar and petrol in the country as well as shortage of electricity -------plus unending maligning campaign since launched against the gone out regime----------- all are the ditto actions prescribed in the Doctrine of disaster...... People should be pushed to the extent that they forget all about bye gone good days and beg for some relief-----that is the time that when new comers may come and give out their new plan with full throttle----more easily.

Please go through those article, here on TPS: 
After Iraq: Manual of ‘Chicago Doctrine’ is opened in Pakistan—part -1
And 
After Iraq: Manual of ‘Chicago Doctrine’ is opened in Pakistan---part 2 
Both were published on 8th and 11th of June 2008 respectively.

I think there is need that essential points of same be published again.
Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nazia,<br />
# 9<br />
A building may take years to build but it may take just few minutes to raze it to ground. Likewise dacoit may get booty worth millions in hand but it may not last with them for more than couple of days. </p>
<p>Any how this is known phenomena that&#8212;&#8211;anything which one gets without pains bears no value. At the time of hand over we have got reserves of some 16 Billion dollars and long ago have also said good bye to IMF. The new comers just took few months to goof up the entire reserves; they say ; maal e muft&#8212; dilay bay rehm.</p>
<p>But here we have got something different on our minds&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;the sole idea of new comers has been to discredit the out gone regime and till today this exercise has not been let off. Why so because we have not learnt the basic manners to say thank you to some one. I know of a old professor who daily crosses a bridge to come to shopping centre and every time he passes the bridge;&#8211; Stops there and says thank you to bridge. It may look funny but it does carry an amazing&#8212;- wisdom in it. </p>
<p>Remember when year back we were discussing the Economy of disasters; a special doctrine initiated in President Nixon time by a man known as Milton Friedman and his team called &#8212;-Chicago boys. It was tried and tested in chilly through US proxy General Augusto Pinochet, president of Chile and I said that same chapter is opened up here. </p>
<p> All the artificial crises like shortage of Atta, sugar and petrol in the country as well as shortage of electricity &#8212;&#8212;-plus unending maligning campaign since launched against the gone out regime&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; all are the ditto actions prescribed in the Doctrine of disaster&#8230;&#8230; People should be pushed to the extent that they forget all about bye gone good days and beg for some relief&#8212;&#8211;that is the time that when new comers may come and give out their new plan with full throttle&#8212;-more easily.</p>
<p>Please go through those article, here on TPS:<br />
After Iraq: Manual of ‘Chicago Doctrine’ is opened in Pakistan—part -1<br />
And<br />
After Iraq: Manual of ‘Chicago Doctrine’ is opened in Pakistan&#8212;part 2<br />
Both were published on 8th and 11th of June 2008 respectively.</p>
<p>I think there is need that essential points of same be published again.<br />
Regards</p>
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		<title>By: nazia</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-685019</link>
		<dc:creator>nazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOM
Read dr Ayesha book on page 192 and you would get the details of his assets in which his latest chak shezad and UK residence were no included. I have recently given the  little detail of business ventures of his son in his tenure and both are now enjoying western life as richest Pakistanis.
I have clearly pointed out his crime list which would be prosecuted in coming time as nation has got her track.No matters how mismanagement would be created by NRO govt or hiow much dead flies like brig Imtiaz and javaid of ISI reopen past , this law march has started now so get ready and try to give some courage pill or energy drink to your all time lover.This is best moment he need your love.
By the way you know my answers well about him so why you want to hear these perilous charges against him by me again and again.
believe me he has lost his repute, his courage and his character now only thing left in his hand is his huge bank balance which he surely earned beyond his range.
OH sorry he still has some lovers like you who are waiting for him to come back and face the reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOM<br />
Read dr Ayesha book on page 192 and you would get the details of his assets in which his latest chak shezad and UK residence were no included. I have recently given the  little detail of business ventures of his son in his tenure and both are now enjoying western life as richest Pakistanis.<br />
I have clearly pointed out his crime list which would be prosecuted in coming time as nation has got her track.No matters how mismanagement would be created by NRO govt or hiow much dead flies like brig Imtiaz and javaid of ISI reopen past , this law march has started now so get ready and try to give some courage pill or energy drink to your all time lover.This is best moment he need your love.<br />
By the way you know my answers well about him so why you want to hear these perilous charges against him by me again and again.<br />
believe me he has lost his repute, his courage and his character now only thing left in his hand is his huge bank balance which he surely earned beyond his range.<br />
OH sorry he still has some lovers like you who are waiting for him to come back and face the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: AOM</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-684824</link>
		<dc:creator>AOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 Nazia,

Can you tell me and all what have Musharraf done was for himself or for PAKISTAN?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 Nazia,</p>
<p>Can you tell me and all what have Musharraf done was for himself or for PAKISTAN?</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-684469</link>
		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uzma Shah,

# 12

This was very much republished in Adab arz.co.uk with Ahmed subhani name and Pak Alert Press reference that they do allow to republish as long as their reference is given. The same was also provided to TPS when this article was submitted including links and reference. But probably due over sight or spam fear--- TPS did not print the references and it is appeared in A Khokar name. 

Anyhow adab arz .co.uk reference is given above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uzma Shah,</p>
<p># 12</p>
<p>This was very much republished in Adab arz.co.uk with Ahmed subhani name and Pak Alert Press reference that they do allow to republish as long as their reference is given. The same was also provided to TPS when this article was submitted including links and reference. But probably due over sight or spam fear&#8212; TPS did not print the references and it is appeared in A Khokar name. </p>
<p>Anyhow adab arz .co.uk reference is given above.</p>
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		<title>By: Uzma Shah</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-684241</link>
		<dc:creator>Uzma Shah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pure copyrights violations by Mr. Khokhar. Original writer of this article is my Mr. Ahmed Subhani who recently wrote this article on Pakistandesk website. 

http://pakistandesk.com/?p=2348</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pure copyrights violations by Mr. Khokhar. Original writer of this article is my Mr. Ahmed Subhani who recently wrote this article on Pakistandesk website. </p>
<p><a href="http://pakistandesk.com/?p=2348" rel="nofollow">http://pakistandesk.com/?p=2348</a></p>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Ali Sajjad</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-683099</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhammad Ali Sajjad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Khokhar

The supposedly million dollar question you are facing on how to move forward has a simple answer:
&lt;b&gt;Make sure NO ONE steals our right to self rule&lt;/b&gt;

How can we do that? Well you may not like the answer so lets leave it.

Khokhar, in my first comment i have already said that despite of all these facts , there is nothing i am assuming everything is poven and on the record, you will chose to ignore the facts and look the other way. The way where GM cant be held answerable. 

Ignorance is a bliss.

Enjoy your blessing.

Best Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Khokhar</p>
<p>The supposedly million dollar question you are facing on how to move forward has a simple answer:<br />
<b>Make sure NO ONE steals our right to self rule</b></p>
<p>How can we do that? Well you may not like the answer so lets leave it.</p>
<p>Khokhar, in my first comment i have already said that despite of all these facts , there is nothing i am assuming everything is poven and on the record, you will chose to ignore the facts and look the other way. The way where GM cant be held answerable. </p>
<p>Ignorance is a bliss.</p>
<p>Enjoy your blessing.</p>
<p>Best Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Sultan</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-682884</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Sultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khokar you rightly said that What good is a democratic government that falls prey to cartels and denies its people essentials such as atta and sugar?
 But even that doesn't justified coup d etats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khokar you rightly said that What good is a democratic government that falls prey to cartels and denies its people essentials such as atta and sugar?<br />
 But even that doesn&#8217;t justified coup d etats</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/in-fairness-to-pervez-musharraf/comment-page-1/#comment-682573</link>
		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Muhammad Ali Sajjad,

There are number of points raised by you which reflects that somehow a huge Civil- Military divide is existence at this time and space that Pakistan is confronted with--- which I must say that this divide is Not there. Why don’t we realise that military has since handed over and it is but required that now we move forward. Some of the people might have come up on top by accident but the circumstances demand that we must show an magnanimity and taking it as our blessings that rein of government is in civilian hands--------all Pakistanis have to make an earnest effort to make Pakistan a better world for us. 

We know that although some of political parties like PML-N and their cohort are sticking to their venomous rhetoric for their political gains that in order to take revenge, Musharraf then in 1999 toppled their government and that he must be punished through a selective trial under article 6 of the constitution. They think that it will make him as ‘Nishaan e Ibrat’ for others. Ironically Article 6 when applied does not restrict itself to minus one of Musharraf only but certainly brings in fold all others abettor, supporters and all others who validated his 1999 action. We know that 1999 action was a bigger action than subsequent promulgation of emergency in November 2007. In any case 1999 action was carried out in response to PM Nawaz Sharif action which itself is an act of treason. 

I would like to draw your kind attention to an article of Lt Gen Tallat Masood giving a true insight of current situation and he says: that in order to attract public attention, some of the military retired officers ‘while narrating the past episodes went ballistic and the media relished it. This interestingly brought into sharp focus the gross meddling of army in politics, exposed bankruptcy of the political elite and, in the process, paradoxically showed these very officers in an extremely bad light. The question is, how do we proceed from here to correct the nation’s course? 

The talk of ‘minus-one’ formula, poor governance, pervasive corruption, the parliamentarians’ lack of interest in legislation and the military dominating foreign and defence policies are clear evidence that Pakistan’s political culture and civil- military relations remain frozen. Despite agreement on the charter of democracy and brave talk of our leaders of taking revenge, the situation has not changed much. The overall spread of radicalism, threat from Taliban militant entities, especially those in FATA, and its linkages with terrorism coupled with an economy in deep distress are serious threats that cannot be under-estimated. Moreover, the whole world is today concerned about the stability and security of Pakistan.

In an awakened Pakistan, there is no scope for military take-over but it is equally true that there is no space for politics without accountability and good governance. What good is a democratic government that falls prey to cartels and denies its people essentials such as atta and sugar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Muhammad Ali Sajjad,</p>
<p>There are number of points raised by you which reflects that somehow a huge Civil- Military divide is existence at this time and space that Pakistan is confronted with&#8212; which I must say that this divide is Not there. Why don’t we realise that military has since handed over and it is but required that now we move forward. Some of the people might have come up on top by accident but the circumstances demand that we must show an magnanimity and taking it as our blessings that rein of government is in civilian hands&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;all Pakistanis have to make an earnest effort to make Pakistan a better world for us. </p>
<p>We know that although some of political parties like PML-N and their cohort are sticking to their venomous rhetoric for their political gains that in order to take revenge, Musharraf then in 1999 toppled their government and that he must be punished through a selective trial under article 6 of the constitution. They think that it will make him as ‘Nishaan e Ibrat’ for others. Ironically Article 6 when applied does not restrict itself to minus one of Musharraf only but certainly brings in fold all others abettor, supporters and all others who validated his 1999 action. We know that 1999 action was a bigger action than subsequent promulgation of emergency in November 2007. In any case 1999 action was carried out in response to PM Nawaz Sharif action which itself is an act of treason. </p>
<p>I would like to draw your kind attention to an article of Lt Gen Tallat Masood giving a true insight of current situation and he says: that in order to attract public attention, some of the military retired officers ‘while narrating the past episodes went ballistic and the media relished it. This interestingly brought into sharp focus the gross meddling of army in politics, exposed bankruptcy of the political elite and, in the process, paradoxically showed these very officers in an extremely bad light. The question is, how do we proceed from here to correct the nation’s course? </p>
<p>The talk of ‘minus-one’ formula, poor governance, pervasive corruption, the parliamentarians’ lack of interest in legislation and the military dominating foreign and defence policies are clear evidence that Pakistan’s political culture and civil- military relations remain frozen. Despite agreement on the charter of democracy and brave talk of our leaders of taking revenge, the situation has not changed much. The overall spread of radicalism, threat from Taliban militant entities, especially those in FATA, and its linkages with terrorism coupled with an economy in deep distress are serious threats that cannot be under-estimated. Moreover, the whole world is today concerned about the stability and security of Pakistan.</p>
<p>In an awakened Pakistan, there is no scope for military take-over but it is equally true that there is no space for politics without accountability and good governance. What good is a democratic government that falls prey to cartels and denies its people essentials such as atta and sugar?</p>
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