Holland Politican Broadcasts Movie Against Quran
By The Pakistani Spectator • Jan 22nd, 2008 • Category: Politics • 31 CommentsOnce again, a needless provocation is about to unleashed by the Europeans against Muslims. Once again, world should get ready for the bloody riots in different cities of the world, and once again a new needless international crisis would begin.
In the Holland, a radical right-wing politician, this week, is broadcasting a provocative anti-Muslim film, which will broadcast broadcast images of the Quran being torn up and otherwise desecrated. This will surely result in repetition of the crisis sparked by the publication of cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in a Danish newspaper two years ago.
Then they ask why terrorism breeds in the Muslim world? When they start offending our faiths, what do they expect in return? If they don’t respect their religion and their religious personalities and even God, they must not think that the whole world is like them. We love our God, our Prophet and our faith. This is intolerance, high-handedness and terrorism on the part of Dutch politicians. He is more disgusting than Osama Bin Laden and he deserves severe punishment.
The spineless and shameless Geert Wilders, one of nine members of the extremist VVD (Freedom) party in the 150-seat Dutch lower house, has promised that his film will be broadcast - on television or on the internet - whatever the pressure may be. In November 2004, fury and violence followed the stabbing and shooting by a Dutch teenager of Moroccan parentage of the controversial film-maker Theo Van Gogh, a distant relative of the artist. The artist offended the Muslim by a very disparaging painting.
Why they do such nefarious and needless acts every after few months? Is it some kind of litmus test for the Muslims? We respect Christianity and their religious figures, and we respect all other religions. We have never made a movie or cartoon derogating their faith, then why they do it with us? Moderate and sensible Christians (which are there in majority of numbers) must come forward and stop these fanatics and terrorists.
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In any democratic society freedom of the press must be properly balanced with civic responsibility, particularly at a time when the world seems to be engaged in a “war of ideology. These are the times when we all should foster harmony, rather than creating “needless” movies.
I think these anti-Islamic movement by right-wingers of other religions is quite helpful for muslims because it makes many people curious to find out truth. 9/11 which started a war against Muslims initially target Islam by giving bad impression about it. Saudi Hijackers, talibans and then madarasahs. this propaganda is all part of global war initiated by right wing neo-cons. As Allah said in Surah Al-e-Imran that “They planned,Allah planned and Allah is the best planner”, so process got reversed and more non-Muslims become Muslims and ignorant Muslims like me got curious further about Quran and Islam thingie and started reading about it.So i always thank to our Mr.Bush that he created something like Alqaeda or Osama and then our so called liberals who have been busy here and there to throw up the stuff which is fed to them by westerners. Because of them many people were forced to find out the real thing about Islam and Quran. as I sent a URL to Ghazala about an Australian that how he got converted to a religion(Islam) which he didn’t study before because it was a religion of terrorist in his eyes.
So, we should not be worried at all what non-Muslims ,liberals do propaganda, just try to do our part to share anything about religion with others as this was said by our Prophet(saw) as well.
sorry for this lengthy rant. Bye
Leaving aside your laughable and barbaric assertion that people who make movies are terrorists, lets examine your statement that “we have never made a movie or cartoon derogating their faith…”. Check out this Palestinian cartoon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEYE-X32Znk
I suppose getting Mickey Mouse to say “I will annihilate all Jews” is a great example of Muslim tolerance. In fact, it is this hatred shown by Muslims, coupled with unrelenting terrorism (of the killing people kind, not of the making movies kind) that made Theo Van Gogh’s movie, the Danish cartoons and all other attempts to explore why Muslims have adopted suicide bombings, repression of women and hatred of other religions, so sorely needed.
I also hope you realize that you and other Muslim who can’t handle this movie or any other movie you don’t like, have an option other than killing, rioting and bombings. You can simply turn off the channel. It is very revealing that you have already decided that the Muslim reaction to this movie will be violent. By saying that you have shown that Muslims cannot respond to the movie with logic and arguments, they automatically turn to guns. I also find it very revealing that you think a filmmaker and the politicians who promote it are worse than a person responsible for thousands of murders. What a fine sense of morality you have.
I was offended by the actual movie as well but “Then they ask why terrorism breeds in the Muslim world? When they start offending our faiths, what do they expect in return?” is a rather careless statement. I am kinda repulsed by how you tried to justify terrorism on this basis. The movies and cartoons are wrong but so are suicide bombings in mosques … and for that matter, even in churches. There is no way you can quantitatively justify any right in terrorism.
Maybe we should learn something from Gandhi and his peaceful protests and condemnation of the wrong rather than justifying why we start to burn whenever someone lights a match. Just an opinion !
I disagree with Moin Ansari. Just because a word is from Arabic, it means it has to have something Islamic attached to it? I dont think so. Just because they were better able to adapt to new cultures, languages and words, means they are in some way obliged to pay homage to the original creators? I dont think so.
In todays age, this proposition is totally absurd. The proposition that just because it came from Muslims or was Islamic, they totally reject. If done on this side of the world, I can only wonder as to how far behind we will be left. Information today is as free as air, and the ability to use it wisely for ones purpose is anyones.
Lets think a little before going ballistic on Mr. Greet. He might be against Quran or whatever. A barking dog needs this attention we afford him. Is he really worth this much time of ours? Is he really our worry for the time, and not those religious fanatics who are doing us more harm than by blowing themselves up in markets and mosques?
@Bubs: where were you my friend when zealots Christians were burning hospitals and clinics because they though the clinics are main source of abortion?
Come out from imaginary world which is far different than real world.
s/were you/were you hiding
Islamic influences are “corrupting” Europe. I suggest that Mr. WIlders get rid of Topi Lale (Tulips) and Windmills that are of Muslim origin. Tulips were imported from Turkey and led to Tulipomani in Euripe where Tulips were sold for $100,000 etc. This Islamic influence has to be banished from Holland.
WIndmills were created by Muslims. Mr. WIlders should eliminate all Windmills from Holland.
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its not just the name….these ideas and materials were imported to “corrupt” Europe…get rid of them….Tulips, WIndmills, Stitched cloth, Beethoven’s music (9th symphony), collegies (from kulliat) and anything Californinan (named after Caliph Haronia) or anythign from Traffelgar (Tarf ul Gir)…
…..you don’t get it….it is one humanity and one civilization…these artificial dykes are useless and not beneficial!
…they more they speak up the more coversions he inspires…
Hey! Geert….remember Indonesia…still want it back?
God Bless Mr. Geert, and God bring him to the right path…one day he will see the light…
James has a great message.
But as for the blog, I dont think Christians have much say in Netherlends either, there are less than 10% Christians there anyways, most of them have stepped into Atheism, which they call stepping into the 21st Century. They dont have respect, they are cold blooded creatures, insults on a religion according to them should be taken very lightly and very ‘openly’. Ofcourse, criticism is welcome and is a basic for a free speech community but insulting is what they want to be countede as their right, especially if done against religion.
This VVD party in general, has not done this only now. Thing is that they see a tormented, propagandary definitoin of Islam and Quran, verses quoted out of context, at times incomplete sentences etc and these guys are too darn scared of Islam and think Islam is about world domination, so their counter is justified on their beliefs. IF we want to tackle them, we have to spread the message better, best way to do that, is to improve our own selfs and thus our own societies…
what ever ppl say about islam, what everthey do shows their mentality. so no worries, but when muslims do not say any thing to any one’s religion then why the hell they r doing such discusting things? any way islam is becoming second largest religion in USA, France. but one thing more they read the holly book Quran and they got to know what islam is. im mulsim but i believe wahta them made to embrace islam is not the current muslim but the teaching of islam and after reading Quran.
anyway one more thing that if there is something goe wrong muslims do not kill any other religion person in their country but unlike the USA ppl. 9/11 incident there were many attacks on muslims who live in usa. my cusin was the vitim of that.
the medi and othe rppl say that muslims r terrorist but is any onw know what terrorism is there is no praticular defination of it but acording to me
A definition of terrorism is:
UNUNIFORMED people fighting against uniformed people—WAR
UNUNIFORMED people killing Civilians – STATE TERRORISM
CIVILIANCE killing uniformed people—GORILLA
CIVILIANS killing Civilians – Terrorism
for me terrorism is a politocal motivated act ( as bin Laden– jut remember te 9/11 what come on to ur mind picture of twin tower an dbin laden am i wrong?)
Leaving aside many things I disagree with in the Pakistani Spectactor’s posting for a moment, I like to start by poiting at 2 facts that are in contradiction with it:
1. Geert Wilders is not a member of the VVD party. The VVD (People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy) is a moderate, right-wing liberal party, currently holding 21 out of 150 seats in Dutch lower house. Geert Wilders used to be an MP for this party, but was kicked out, primarily due to his stance on Turkey joining the EU (he opposes this). He then founded his own party, the PvdV (Party for Freedom), that obtained 9 seats in last elections. Geert Wilders’ PvdV holds more radical views on Islam than the VVD does.
2. There is no movie yet, nor has a date for airing it been set, nor has Geert Wilders said much about the content. All that is being stated in this posting about this movie (in particular that it would contain images of the Quran being torn up and otherwise desecrated) is pure speculation. Geert Wilders has previously said that muslims should tear out all violent pages of the Quran, and that this would leave a very thin Quran. However, there has been no indication that this would actually be done in his movie.
Then beyond the mere facts: I find the Specator’s posting extremely disturbing. The disturbing thing for me is that the Spectator seems unable to understand to huge moral difference between voicing an opinion (however provocative it may be) and committing actual physical violence against a person. I sincerely belief that peace is impossible without appreciating the difference.
Holland is a democratic free country and no subject including religions should
be off the table as an object for critical evaluation. Of course, some people will disagree with the movie and they have full right to argue and present their point of view. If a movie criticising Buddhism would appear the movie director would not be receiving death threats. Buddhists are not violent and we did not hear about Buddhist riots when Taliban government destroyed historical Buddha figures in Afghanistan.One can conclude that some religions create peacefull believers and some very violent.
I think that it is a very wrong to compare Osama bin Laden and the Dutch movie director. Osama is a murderer who killed in several hours about 3000 innocent people. The Duch movie director killed nobody .He may be politically incorrect but no harm or mass murder has resulted from his movie.
Muslims should peacefully write a response to the movie and explain why they think it is wrong. This would be an example of a reasonable reaction by believers in a peaceful religion. If they react violently they will prove that the movie evaluation of Isalm is correct.
Surely you will find this fun and entertaining…
An interview with a Dutch citizen about Geert Wilders…..
Herr Rerhuf Reltih Dutch gives us insight into the Dutch mentlaity and the code words….Dutch technology developing new industrial instruments for Muslims…Geert WIlders will show new instruments in March…stay tuned!
ISLAM is the 2nd Largest religion By population …. but ….the worlds Largest religion by Practicing…..
ALLAH o AKBAR
For Non Muslims: Dont judge Islam through Muslims. I accept that Most of muslims are not practicing Islam as per our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). But even then, Islam is true religion of Universe. No tru Muslim supports sucidie bombers because Our prophet said that Killing one person means killing of whole humanity. This tells that even killing of Non Muslim is prohibited,if he is innocent.
So dont misinterpret Islam while observing Muslims actions. Muslims are doing Adultery, taking bribery, drinking Alcohol, Killing people etc etc. Is this Islam who asks them to do it? No, These all actions are Haram in Islam. Thanks.
Hello. I am dutch. This film is a propaganda stunt, and possibly an investment in emanciparion of the dutch political side, comparably with the erotical movie released by the EU.
I just don’t know for sure, i have a good laugh at you calling this guys party VVD, wich is where he stems from and (opposing another dutchman on this forum) indeed would consider extremist in their aproach of civil society. Nevertheless i don’t give a bad word about religion, and i feel pretty good with it. In that sense it is impredictable what the contexts of the film will be. An example that is pretty devastating in islam POV (from an anti indoctrination standpoint, wich could be considered an element of dutch ethics), is koran school. Like an atheist don’t like the christian religion, for it was a tool of repression, like it does not like judaism as a tool of secularism, it does not like islam, as yet another banner to put ppl to the sword, or use in maintaining a governmental system.
Sorry for the detrimental english uzz uzz guy, and GL pakistan with the elections, i hope you will show your consent with the future, because unlike history it can not be stolen or abused yet.
“Once again, a needless provocation is about to unleashed by the Europeans against Muslims.”
Pakistanis are the biggest provocateurs in the matter of religion. While Danish and others only insult the prophet once in a while…Pakistanis on the other hand can’t even get their Passports or ID Cards (every one has one) without insulting a prophet and hence are in the least bit position to ask for respect form anyone else.
Note the below declaration from Pakistani Passport application (available here http://www.embassyofpakistanusa.org/forms/A%20form%20fillable.doc), the same or similar statement is provided on almost all official forms even including the application forms for admission to some educational institutes;
c. I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Quadiani to be an impostor nabi and also consider his followers whether belonging to the Lahori or Quadiani group, to be NON-MUSLIM.
Now coming back to the original point, while Pakistanis are demanding some respect from others, when are Pakistanis going to show some respect themselves?
Don’t be hypocrites and complain about this Pakistani behaviour too if in fact Pakistanis believe in respect for every one.
“Then they ask why terrorism breeds in the Muslim world? When they start offending our faiths, what do they expect in return? ”
Well problem is everything offends your faith. Shias offend you, Ahmadis offend you, Non-Muslims offend you, and even your own women offend you. What is one to do? Except accept that indeed you guys are living in a different century or on a different planet which has nothing to do with this century or this planet. Grow up,..don’t blame the whole world for you mental retard-ness and stone age beliefs. Sorry but this is the truth.
PS: Why don’t you leave your faith and accept a tolerant one like Bhudh religion? Will help everyone.
“we have never made a movie or cartoon derogating their faith…”.
yeah you just kill them or, if they are in your country, put them in prison and just because you do it “legally” you think it is right.