General Kayani Knows the Doubts About Army Among People
By Haris Hashmi • Apr 24th, 2009 • Category: Politics • 23 CommentsAs the Taliban spill out of Malakand Agency and try to establish thier writ in the Buner, Chitral, Shangla and Swabi and make their ambitions clear about taking over the whole country, the Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani issues a strong statement.
He has said that he was aware of the doubts being voiced about the intent as well as the capability of the Army to defeat the militancy in the country. He made it clear that Pakistan Army never has and never will hesitate to sacrifice, whatever it may take, to ensure safety and wellbeing of people of Pakistan and country’s territorial integrity.
First, this statement shouldn’t be coming over from the top general, rather it should be coming from the commander-in-chief , the president of Pakistan Asif Ali Zardari and then from the Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, after a fearless and rational debate in the national assembly.
But National Assembly is already afraid of the threat made by the Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan, as nobody wants to commit apostasy, as they know that it would be death for them in the eyes of Taliban, who have no shortage of bomb blasters and suicide attackers. But then what else we could expect?
Our president is the production of good luck, accident and then NRO. Our parliamentarians are largely thugs and corrupt lot. Our Prime Minister is a puppet. Who else to speak with conviction then General Kayani at this moment, sadly enough?
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Hi Hashmi,
You belong to Pakistan the land of pure Islam.
Taliban are just doing it converting it into a land of pure Islam.
None can prevent it.It is history in making.Always the underdogs win.They have the HOLY QUORAN behind them. Kiyani cannot stop them. Kiyani,Zardari,Gilani and musharaff before them were working for USA.We in India fear people who work for foreigners more than pure Pakistanies even if they are Taliban.
Johann:
The Taliban are illiterate people who don’t even know much about Islam. Taliban have nothing to do with Islam! Taliban are just another bunch or filthy criminals, just another cult, that doesn’t has much following, except in a few tiny pockets of Pak/Af
By the way, Johann, there are millions of practising Muslims living in UAE, Malaysia, Turkey, Iran etc. And they are progressive, liberal and peaceful. Islam is a religion of peace that preaches peaceful co-existance and tolerance.
This curse of Taliban Terrorists has nothing to do with Islam. Taliban/Alqaeda terrorists are only an Afghan/Pakistani phenomenon. They have become powerful here, beause in the past our governments turned a blind eye to their activities, which is why these terrorists thrived over time and have now become a nuissance for the entire world.
Johann: PLEASE DON’T HURT THE FEELINGS OF MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS, BY GIVING SUCH IRRESPONSIBLE REMARKS ABOUT OUR HOLY RELIGION!
johann you are Talking Rubbish! please get your facts right. May be you dont’ know officially Pakistan is an Islamic Republic as the father of the Nation-Qai’d Md. Ali Jinnah wanted it to be. Please dont’ hurt the feelings of Muslims and Pakistani’s. You are within your right to criticise America and Taliban but you have no right to insult our Holy book and our religion. I have seen comments by many indian’s who are regular readers of TPS insulting our religion which is infact the chosen religion for all mankind irrespective of caste, creed or color.
Dont’ be so color blind !People like@incredible indian,@premji, @adi and @sid including you have to study a lot about Islam, Mulsims, Pakistan before writing something on these subjects.
johann just told you that it is our land that is being misused by using name of Quran and Islam.It is not him who are granting license to kill but utilizing the name of shariah and Quran and we our establishment always reluctant to make any check and balance on these religious forces.
UAE is controlling this religious factor through strict law and order,Turkey and Iran through powers of democracy and liberal policies and morocco another better Muslim country is handling this extremism through his moderate but strict laws on these govt organization.So when govt takes misappropriate actions on security issues and focus on personal gains only then this situation is obvious that we are facing these days.
Hi Hassan,
In what way i have hurt your feelings sir?
It is your National Parliament in an anonymous resolution agreed to the implementation of Nizam-e-Adl and signed by your elected President.Is this Nizam-e-adl is against Sharia? Is it Against Holy Quoran or does it follow the Sharia?Please be honest with yourself. Is NAR 2009 against Sharia then in its defenition it says “In the “Definitions” part, the NAR explains: “In the application to the personal law of any Muslim sect, the expression ‘the holy Qura’an and Sunnah’ shall mean the Qura’an and Sunnah-e-Nabvi (PBUH) as interpreted by that sect.” Hi Hassan am I insulting the Sharia or this NAR?
TALIBAN have been very consisitent. They believe in their wahabism as followed in SAUDI ARABIA, the caliphate they want Pakistan to emulate. They consider themselves as basically the religious police of Pakistan just as in Saudi arabia.Already they have stopped Music,Girls schools,barber shops, and a the Taliban come with a stick and give a mild slap to shop keepers who do not go to mosque FIVE TIMES A DAY? Am i wrong about the condition in SWAT? WHO IS SPEAKING TRUTH OR INSULTING ISLAM?
hI free ganesh,
In what way i have insulted Islam or Pakistan. By the way i know it is an Islamic republic but NOT FOLLOWING ISLAM AS ENSHRINED IN THE HOLY QUORAN.Taliban are actually enforcing it by force.
By they way has ANY TALIBAN HAS EVER BEEN PROSECUTED OR CONVICTED OR JAILED FOR BLASHPHEMY IN YOUR COUNTRY WHICH IS AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC FOR INSULTING ISLAM?
BE HONEST GUYS or withdraw your comments about me. By the way I respect NAZIA for her truthfulness. I WILL APOLOGISE IF SHE SAYS SO WITHOUT THINKING.
hasan
I have collected some excellent saying of hazrat Ali relates to this hot discussions.
“Admonish your brother (comrade) by good deeds and kind regards, and ward off his evil by favouring him.”
“I appreciate an old man’s cautious opinion more than the valor of a young man.”
” One who says unpleasant things about others, will himself quickly become a target of their scandal. “
Mr. Johann
Pakistan literally means land of the pure. But you did offend us by stating that Taliban want to make it a land of pure Islam. NO SIR! PURE ISLAM NEVER ALLOWS THE ACTIONS THAT THESE TALIBAN TERRORISTS ARE TAKING!
You seem to suggest that Taliban represent true Islam. You’re totally wrong in your assertion. This grossly offends any Muslim, especially a practising Muslim!
Sir I agree with you that Taliban are extremists. The point is that these are only a handful of extremists who have nothing to do with the rest of Pakistan. These terrorists in no way represent Islam or Pakistan!
There are extremists in every sect, in every religion. From your name and profile info, I can assume that you’re an Indian Christian. So let me pose a few questions:
Didn’t Hindu extremists torch so many churches in India last year. Didn’t those Hindu fanatics murder missionaries, and burn alive nuns in India. And look how mercilessly those fanatic Hindus butcher thousands of Muslims in Gujarat a few years back. Why? Because those fanatic Hindus have an interpretation of their religion, according to which India belongs to only Hindus and so they believe all other religious minorities should be obliterated. However, the vast majority of Hindus in India, are peaceful, civilized people, who believe in co-existing peacefully with the other communities. And there have been christian extremists as well…..remember, when during the crusades, christian fanatic clerics murdered so many innocent people just in the name of their religion…(I guess you must have watched the movie Kingdom of Heaven) …..Sir: can I assert that those fanatics truly represented christianity and the teachings of prophet Jesus?
I’ve drawn parallels here to suggest that there are extremists in every society who want imposition of their own views on others. However, the view and actions of such extremists can in now way be thought to be representative of the teaching of a great religion.
Sir: You have no right you hurt the feelings of millions of practising Muslims by associating terrorist Taliban with Islam.
And Nazia:
Please always remember to use the postfix (AS: Aleyeh-Salam), after the name of Imam Ali (AS).
Nazia, you seem to imply that Muslims in UAE, Morocco, Turkey everywhere have ‘great extremist tendencies’ and their governments are ‘controlling’ this in some way….I’m afraid you’re too naive or too uninformed. Majority of Muslims are liberal people and at the same time devoted practising Muslims as well. Remember that ours too was a liberal society until Dictator Zia destroyed the fabric of our society in the 1980s, by sowing seeds of sectarian tensions and by promoting militant culture here.
nice article and also the discussion is very constructive. my only point is that the institutional division in Pakistan is yet to mature and as such there is a conflict among various actors. The only point I would like to add here is that the Gen. is not strong enough and there are signs that he is more close to the Americans than to his Pakistani establishment. For me he comes across as a recluse and inward looking confused General. Certainly not in the mould of Pakistan’s best Gen. His excellency Mr. Parvez Musharraf who united his country more than any political figure in Pakistan’s history. The country surely needs Mr. Musharraf back as the President.
Hassan
If you think that I am naive then no problem but you should also study the internal culture of turkey, morocco ND and UAE.I am again not directing you toward civic culture as we all share same kind of moderation in our urban areas .Turkey was also flooded by extremist Muslims when Russians were massacacring mulsims there but its their govt who hold them tightly within their domain.We have utlized these as our freedom fighters.Morocco 995sunni had a strong history of Muslim extremism in the area toward south, Fes, tetoutan, tanger are hub of Islamic medressahs for last century and sometime have creates same scenes of extremism in these area.1994 series of bomb blasts in beautiful city of Casablanca was on record.Take some time and read through net that how wisely and strictly king of morocco handled this situation.His measures should had be taken by our management as guidelines for ending fanaticism in our area too as we have lot of similarities with morocco culture but good management all depends on good intentions of rulers.Our rulers become so strong when lawyers come on streets but always close their eyes whenever talibans start their march.
Same with UAE .In 1970 Bhutto had sent our army to train these unskilled religious Arabs.Their wise leadership adopted the policy of bhutto and made all govt policies above religion.We in contrast put all things under the umbrella of religion ensuing cultural and religious hatred for only muslim communities living in this piece of land.
Nazia:
As far as the menace of extremism is concerned, you better read my previous comments addressed to this foreigner called johaan.
There is no denying the fact that your darling Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudry himself is a big Islamist extremist. The lawyer’s movement was nothing, but the biggest fraud in our country’s history. We are already begining to see the horrendous outcomes of CJ Iftikar Chaudry’s restoration. Just as Iftikar Chaudry released dangerous terrorists back in 2007, he has again demonstrated his sympathy for terrorists by releasing the terrorist cleric Moulvi Abdul Aziz.
Just answer one simple question: WHY DID YOUR DARLING CJ IFTIKHAR CHAUDRY FREE THE NOTORIOUS TERRORIST EXTREMIST MOULVI ABDUL AZIZ, WHEN EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAL MASJID INCIDENT?
Nazia:
You yourself claimed that you were a part of the ‘Justice Movement’. So why don’t self proclaimed champions of democracy like you, launch a protest movement to condemn the Taliban Terrorists, at a time when the very edifice of our democracy is being threatened by the terrorists?
It is pitiful indeed how simpletons like you were fooled by the ‘Justice Movement’ and wasted your time and money for nothing, besides causing immense dammage to your country’s economy and stability. Before the start of this ‘Justice Drama’, Pakistan’s economy was growing at a rate of 7.2%…….and look where we are standing now: a GDP of around 3%. Justice Movement was only a political manifestation of the Taliban Terrorists’ efforts to destabilise Pakistan, and simpletons like you became tools in the hands of extremists. Such a pity….
And why don’t you recognize the great service that MQM is doing to the nation, by organizing rallies condemning the terrorists?
Hasan
Sounds me very similar ?
ok why yours questions never out of one point agenda.Its not me I think three more people has given you details of SC actions for maulanas but if you dont accept reality then what can we say about you.Now its only Allah who can guide you wisdom and sense of logics.
Yes surely I will be first against talibans if I feel some kind of threat from them in our surroundings.We will surely plan march when SOS call be given to us from swati people.These people have so much developed hate for our govt and our army who were unable of giving them adequate security and any facilities related to their daily life for last two years .This is same situation that once we faced in Bangladesh and only difference is Indian’s reluctance in this area, otherwise no body could have saved our land for further deterioration.
I again told you stop considering yourself problem solver of this nation as no body is fooled by this justice movement.People had come out on their conscience without any affiliation with any political group.It is the power of free judiciary that in all yours comments you always demand justice and help form our CJP which is surely your utmost right.But it is very surprise that you didnt blame or call any other state personals whose are directly responsible of providing security to people of swat or against insurgency.Are you are not aware of protocol of our interior ministry or role of army for guarding their citizens.Yours comments are just oscillating between mqm cosmetic protest and our respectable CJP.Nothing more than it.
Nazia:
As usual you only beat about the bush, never ready to see the truth and address the real question. You’re confused in forming your opinions, as you think of yourself as a liberal champion of democracy on one hand and on the other hand, inadvertantly you like other simpletons served as a tool of Taliban extremists, by becoming a part of ‘Justice Movement’ which was just one of their nefarious attempts to destabilise our country.
Madam:
There is no reason to refute the fact that your beloved darling Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry freed dangerous terrorists back in 2007, which is one of the reasons why President Pervez Musharraf had to proclaim a state of emergency. Look how this Justice Chaudhry has reverted back to his old tactics of blackmailing the government, by freeing dangerous and notorious terrorists like Moulvi Abdul Aziz, who is such a big murderer.
Madam: Where is your common sense? Can’t you see the reality? Everywhere in your comments, you are always uttering poisonous remarks about MQM,the only party that is leading a movement against extremism, and yet, not even once do you acknowledge the truth that your beloved Chief Justice Iftikar is a hypocrite, a blackmailer, an Islamist extremist himself, who has freed the most dangerous criminal Moulvi Abdul Aziz!
Just answer one simple question: WHY DID YOUR DARLING CJ IFTIKHAR CHAUDRY FREE THE NOTORIOUS TERRORIST CLERIC MOULVI ABDUL AZIZ, WHEN EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LAL MASJID INCIDENT?
Read comment 4,6,9 11, where are my poisonous remarks against mqm.You have to change your glasses number for attacking others without proper reasoning on typical issues.Read your lines its you and you only who are given hatred comments for our honorable and respectable CJP and it has no relevance with above topic but it is you and you only who are beating the bushes again and again.
How many times we told you that these are our agencies who made possible of maulanas safe exit but this thing is beyond your mental level so dont bother to think on this technical issue.you are mqm worker so you know how they planned to wiped off whole QADRI leader ship from Karachi.Try this for this maulana and you would be free of all.No body will chase you as it is routine job for ruling group.
My common sense is very active so I have very doubt about you and I am giving my alerts time to time but if you people are afraid of revealing yours true identity than what can I do for it and try to grow little more from your limited circle.
What about your poisonous remarks about MQM in so many articles in the past, especially in the current lead story? Anyway that’s your own opinion, even though it is not an opinion based on common sense.
Yes Madam, I, like millions others am a proud MQM supporter, because MQM is a democratic party that takes pride in defending the rights of the people of Pakistan.
You have to admit that it is your so called ‘honorable’ CJ Chaudhry who released this Moulvi terrorist. This man is an Islamist extremist himself and he loves extremist Mullahs, and this is probably why he always releases dangerous terrorists. He released terrorists back in 2007 and this is why President General Pervez Musharraf imposed a state of emergency.
We are here to discuss issues, so you must not resort to any personal attacks. Rather I suggest you use common sense and logic and reason to see things in their true perspective. We must agree to disagree.
And yes the question that I raised has a direct connection with the current article here. After all, a notorious terrorist freed by CJ Chaudhry is a source of concern for all Pakistanis.
Good story making or you are very good historian.As per yours personal investigations he released terrorists back in 2007 and thats why musharf imposed emergency.That can be only possible by mqm worker only.As per yours saying he is terrorist ,criminal mullah so in this visions there is no need to further enhance this useless discussion.Live in your fake world and enjoy invisible success that has no link with reality
Nazia:
Well, with due respect, its you Madam, who lives in your little world of imagination with your dear darling CJ Chaudry as some sort of an angel who has descended onto our country, and whom you still consider ‘honourable’ despite that he released a notorious and highly dangerous terrorist Moulvi Abdul Aziz who in 2007 challenged the writ of state and tried to uproot democracy in the country. And still you claim to be a liberal proponent of rule of law and democracy. Isn’t this all hypocrisy? Or are you’re too confused to form any opinion? In either case you should review your blind ‘love’ or ‘respect’ for your fallen hero CJ Chaudhry.
Madam: Are you even aware of circumstances in 2007, let alone, the entire history of our country? Among other reasons, the Text of Proclaimation of Emergence states:
“WHEREAS constant interference in executive functions, including but not limited to the control of terrorist activity, economic policy, price controls, downsizing of corporations and urban planning, has weakened the writ of the government; the police force has been completely demoralized and is fast losing its efficacy to fight terrorism and intelligence agencies have been thwarted in their activities and prevented from pursuing terrorists;
WHEREAS some hard-core militants, extremists, terrorists and suicide bombers, who were arrested and being investigated, were ordered to be released. The persons so released have subsequently been involved in heinous terrorist activities, resulting in loss of human life and property. Militants across the country have, thus, been encouraged while law-enforcement agencies subdued;”
here’s the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Pakistani_state_of_emergency
Madam: please use logic and reason in addition to valid historical references to justify your arguments, because this is the only reasonable approach in discussions. And please do read my article that’ll be published here in a couple of days.
I’ll be awaiting you comments on that.
Best Regards,
HA
Nazia:
Well, with due respect, its you Madam, who lives in your little world of imagination with your dear darling CJ Chaudry as some sort of an angel who has descended onto our country, and whom you still consider ‘honourable’ despite that he released a notorious and highly dangerous terrorist Moulvi Abdul Aziz who in 2007 challenged the writ of state and tried to uproot democracy in the country. And still you claim to be a liberal proponent of rule of law and democracy. Isn’t this all hypocrisy? Or are you’re too confused to form any opinion? In either case you should review your blind ‘love’ or ‘respect’ for your fallen hero CJ Chaudhry.
Madam: Are you even aware of circumstances in 2007, let alone, the entire history of our country? Among other reasons, the Text of Proclaimation of Emergence states:
“WHEREAS constant interference in executive functions, including but not limited to the control of terrorist activity, economic policy, price controls, downsizing of corporations and urban planning, has weakened the writ of the government; the police force has been completely demoralized and is fast losing its efficacy to fight terrorism and intelligence agencies have been thwarted in their activities and prevented from pursuing terrorists;
WHEREAS some hard-core militants, extremists, terrorists and suicide bombers, who were arrested and being investigated, were ordered to be released. The persons so released have subsequently been involved in heinous terrorist activities, resulting in loss of human life and property. Militants across the country have, thus, been encouraged while law-enforcement agencies subdued;”
Madam: please use logic and reason in addition to valid historical references to justify your arguments, because this is the only reasonable approach in discussions. And please do read my article that’ll be published here in a couple of days.
I’ll be awaiting you comments on that.
Best Regards,
HA
for reference, please see ‘Text of Proclaimation of Emergency’, by searching for
‘2007 Pakistani state of emergency’
in wikipedia
Hasan
you are as usual not well informed as given below was one of charges made by our COAS president musharf and his team of legal cronies. and you are trying to impress me with this allegation on our respectable and honorable’s CJP
“WHEREAS some members of the judiciary are working at cross purposes with the executive and legislature in the fight against terrorism and extremism, thereby weakening the government and the nation’s resolve and diluting the efficacy of its actions to control this menace;”
.so If you are patient of amnesia then go for details the judges who made free the clerics of lal mosque wer faqir mohammed and Mr butter and for your kind information both were rehired by your loving and liberal musahrf in his new dogar court.Even then I am not narrowminded like you who gave your lame blames to judiciary and avoiding to discuss the malpractice of our agencies.It was the job of these agencies to provide solid evidences against them ,all evidences should be such be issued on the basis of strong points.So if no body will give evidence ,then this is not guatnamo bay where a person can be confined by adopting all ilegtimate way.
Yours point is there.
If somehow we accept that this is charge put on him then why he was confined in his house along with his family and not dare to arrest with solid charges by our army that was headed by gen musharf.
Again if these charges are valid then why one order of our PM on first day of his primer ship had made possible to release of our CJP with an immediate effect.
Why Musharf who was president at that time couldnt uphold his charges on him at this moment.
So please dont show us yours dictatorial mentality again and again.You would be fired again and again,We might be tumble, fumble or jumble but we are sure that we have adopted the right track and that is justice should prevail at all cost.
Well, I’m afraid restoration of CJ Chaudhry has not brought us to the right track. Even if you’re right in your assertion that justice Faqir, butter etc freed the dangerous terrorists, even then it all happened under the nose of CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry. You know that just before his restoration, Paks ambassador to US Mr. Hussain Haqqani expressed concerns that Iftikar Chaudhry and bulk of his supporters were in fact Islamist Extremists. So what can one say now? I believe that your darling CJ Iftikar is now showing us his true colours……
Read my coming article please