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		<title>By: Anwar  jalal</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/for-pakistan-secularism-or-religious-chauvinism/comment-page-1/#comment-145358</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwar  jalal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As  there  were  some words   were  missed  due  to  mistake   in the    above  first  post-  so  this   post  be  taken  as   the  correct  one   --  Thanks 
 Anwar  Jalal          

Salman Mugsi– there is confusion about the aim of pakistan-. Our Text books and leaders use to tell that pakistan was created for Islam- While another view is that the aim of pakistan was the protection of political , cultural, economic and relegious rights of the Muslims of India
Supporters of both the views have their own arguments and they also quote form the speaches and writings of Quaid Azam and Allama Iqbal
If the first view is taken then one can  not oppose those who are working for the islamic system in pakistan as  they   base  their  struggle  on that  view 
IF the later view has to be believed then again many questions do arise like why the slogan– PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KIA __ LA ILLHA IL ALLHA was raised during pakistan movment by Mulim leaqre leaders . Like wise In objective resolution. which is part of pakistan consituation, it has been said that laws of the state would be made according to Quran and Sunnat.- If implemnetaion of islamic system was not the aim of Pakistan then why such resolution was passed and made part of the consituation ?
What i mean to say is that there is confusion about the true aim of pakistan and this has one of the cause of many consitutional and political problems of pakistan 

Personally i think that Quiad Azam and Iqbal were not never in favour of such state which would be governed by Mullhas however they have their own version of it . The had a view of such state which would be guided by the ideal and principles of Islam which never meant that its rulers be Mullahs — NEVER-. IT is one of our misfortunity that most of the pakistan muslims think that only can be the interpretor of islamic teachings 

In the conclusion i would say that Pakistan was maninly created for the rights of Muslim of INdia in the name of Islam- Though Shariat as understood and preached by Mullahs was never the aim of Quaid Azam however in spite of his all seculrism he was also not averse to the Ideals of Islam — I think if he were alive for some time he would have recommended such system for pakistan where both the islamic ideals and modren thoughts had been fully accomodated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As  there  were  some words   were  missed  due  to  mistake   in the    above  first  post-  so  this   post  be  taken  as   the  correct  one   &#8212;  Thanks<br />
 Anwar  Jalal          </p>
<p>Salman Mugsi– there is confusion about the aim of pakistan-. Our Text books and leaders use to tell that pakistan was created for Islam- While another view is that the aim of pakistan was the protection of political , cultural, economic and relegious rights of the Muslims of India<br />
Supporters of both the views have their own arguments and they also quote form the speaches and writings of Quaid Azam and Allama Iqbal<br />
If the first view is taken then one can  not oppose those who are working for the islamic system in pakistan as  they   base  their  struggle  on that  view<br />
IF the later view has to be believed then again many questions do arise like why the slogan– PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KIA __ LA ILLHA IL ALLHA was raised during pakistan movment by Mulim leaqre leaders . Like wise In objective resolution. which is part of pakistan consituation, it has been said that laws of the state would be made according to Quran and Sunnat.- If implemnetaion of islamic system was not the aim of Pakistan then why such resolution was passed and made part of the consituation ?<br />
What i mean to say is that there is confusion about the true aim of pakistan and this has one of the cause of many consitutional and political problems of pakistan </p>
<p>Personally i think that Quiad Azam and Iqbal were not never in favour of such state which would be governed by Mullhas however they have their own version of it . The had a view of such state which would be guided by the ideal and principles of Islam which never meant that its rulers be Mullahs — NEVER-. IT is one of our misfortunity that most of the pakistan muslims think that only can be the interpretor of islamic teachings </p>
<p>In the conclusion i would say that Pakistan was maninly created for the rights of Muslim of INdia in the name of Islam- Though Shariat as understood and preached by Mullahs was never the aim of Quaid Azam however in spite of his all seculrism he was also not averse to the Ideals of Islam — I think if he were alive for some time he would have recommended such system for pakistan where both the islamic ideals and modren thoughts had been fully accomodated</p>
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		<title>By: Anwar  jalal</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/for-pakistan-secularism-or-religious-chauvinism/comment-page-1/#comment-145353</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwar  jalal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salman Mugsi--  there is   confusion  about  the   aim of  pakistan-. Our  Text  books  and leaders  use  to   tell  that  pakistan was  created  for  Islam-  While   another  view  is  that the  aim of  pakistan was  the  protection of political  , cultural, economic  and  relegious  rights  of  the  Muslims  of  India 
  Supporters  of both the  views have  their  own  arguments  and they  also  quote  form the  speaches  and  writings  of  Quaid Azam  and Allama  Iqbal
  If the  first view  is  taken  then  one  can oppose  those  who are  working  for  the  islamic system in pakistan
  IF the  later view  has  to  be  believed  then  again  many  questions  do arise like    why  the  slogan--  PAKISTAN   KA  MATLUB  KIA __ LA ILLHA IL ALLHA   was  raised during pakistan  movment  by   Mulim leaqre   leaders . Like  wise   In  objective  resolution. which  is    part of  pakistan consituation,  it  has  been said  that  laws of the  state would  be    made according  to  Quran  and Sunnat.-  If   implemnetaion of islamic  system was not the  aim of  Pakistan then  why  such  resolution was    passed  and  made   part  of  the  consituation ?
 What  i  mean  to  say  is   that there  is  confusion   about  the  true   aim  of  pakistan  and  this   has  one  of  the   cause  of   many  consitutional  and  political  problems  of  pakistan 

  Personally  i  think  that  Quiad  Azam and  Iqbal  were    not  never  in  favour  of  such  state  which   would  be  governed by  Mullhas   however   they   have  their  own  version of  it .   The   had  a  view  of  such  state which  would  be    guided  by  the  ideal  and  principles  of  Islam         which   never  meant that  its rulers  be   Mullahs -- NEVER-. IT  is   one  of  our  misfortunity  that   most  of  the   pakistan  muslims   think  that  only   can be  the   interpretor  of  islamic  teachings 

 In the  conclusion  i  would   say   that    Pakistan  was    maninly  created   for  the  rights of Muslim   of  INdia   in the  name  of  Islam-  Though  Shariat  as   understood and preached  by Mullahs  was  never  the   aim  of   Quaid Azam   however   in spite  of   his  all seculrism   he  was   also  not  averse  to  the  Ideals  of  Islam -- I  think  if  he  were alive   for  some   time  he  would  have  recommended  such system for  pakistan  where both the   islamic  ideals  and modren  thoughts    had  been   fully  accomodated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salman Mugsi&#8211;  there is   confusion  about  the   aim of  pakistan-. Our  Text  books  and leaders  use  to   tell  that  pakistan was  created  for  Islam-  While   another  view  is  that the  aim of  pakistan was  the  protection of political  , cultural, economic  and  relegious  rights  of  the  Muslims  of  India<br />
  Supporters  of both the  views have  their  own  arguments  and they  also  quote  form the  speaches  and  writings  of  Quaid Azam  and Allama  Iqbal<br />
  If the  first view  is  taken  then  one  can oppose  those  who are  working  for  the  islamic system in pakistan<br />
  IF the  later view  has  to  be  believed  then  again  many  questions  do arise like    why  the  slogan&#8211;  PAKISTAN   KA  MATLUB  KIA __ LA ILLHA IL ALLHA   was  raised during pakistan  movment  by   Mulim leaqre   leaders . Like  wise   In  objective  resolution. which  is    part of  pakistan consituation,  it  has  been said  that  laws of the  state would  be    made according  to  Quran  and Sunnat.-  If   implemnetaion of islamic  system was not the  aim of  Pakistan then  why  such  resolution was    passed  and  made   part  of  the  consituation ?<br />
 What  i  mean  to  say  is   that there  is  confusion   about  the  true   aim  of  pakistan  and  this   has  one  of  the   cause  of   many  consitutional  and  political  problems  of  pakistan </p>
<p>  Personally  i  think  that  Quiad  Azam and  Iqbal  were    not  never  in  favour  of  such  state  which   would  be  governed by  Mullhas   however   they   have  their  own  version of  it .   The   had  a  view  of  such  state which  would  be    guided  by  the  ideal  and  principles  of  Islam         which   never  meant that  its rulers  be   Mullahs &#8212; NEVER-. IT  is   one  of  our  misfortunity  that   most  of  the   pakistan  muslims   think  that  only   can be  the   interpretor  of  islamic  teachings </p>
<p> In the  conclusion  i  would   say   that    Pakistan  was    maninly  created   for  the  rights of Muslim   of  INdia   in the  name  of  Islam-  Though  Shariat  as   understood and preached  by Mullahs  was  never  the   aim  of   Quaid Azam   however   in spite  of   his  all seculrism   he  was   also  not  averse  to  the  Ideals  of  Islam &#8212; I  think  if  he  were alive   for  some   time  he  would  have  recommended  such system for  pakistan  where both the   islamic  ideals  and modren  thoughts    had  been   fully  accomodated</p>
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		<title>By: Aamir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aamir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All problems of Pakistan can be traced back to three factors or a combination of them; Punjabis, Faujis, Molvis. Faujis started bit late ie in 1958 but now they are the most dominant of all. Pick up any major problem in Pakistan and you will see these factors in play including the current religious extremism that we face today.

My own feeling is that if Punjabis are not willing to get Molvis off their backs then Sindh and Baluchistan should join and create Secular Republic of Pakistan. Then start charging Punjab for sindhi/Baluchi gas and oil and karachi/gawader ports at international rates. If NWFP joins then even better, they can also charge Punjab for their electricity at international rates.

The main problem is really that Punjabis are not willing to tolerate anyone of different province or of different sect/religion. The rest of the problems stem from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All problems of Pakistan can be traced back to three factors or a combination of them; Punjabis, Faujis, Molvis. Faujis started bit late ie in 1958 but now they are the most dominant of all. Pick up any major problem in Pakistan and you will see these factors in play including the current religious extremism that we face today.</p>
<p>My own feeling is that if Punjabis are not willing to get Molvis off their backs then Sindh and Baluchistan should join and create Secular Republic of Pakistan. Then start charging Punjab for sindhi/Baluchi gas and oil and karachi/gawader ports at international rates. If NWFP joins then even better, they can also charge Punjab for their electricity at international rates.</p>
<p>The main problem is really that Punjabis are not willing to tolerate anyone of different province or of different sect/religion. The rest of the problems stem from there.</p>
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		<title>By: AamirRaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>AamirRaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magsi Saheb, i guess it's not between secularism and 'religious chauvinism'(?), it's that we've risked our homeland, too, as i see it. Religious fanaticism has yielded nothing but distress and animosity between people of Pakistan. Sindhis are, by nature, very secular and prefer humanity over religions (one can do a research on it to (dis)prove this). Whereas, after the creation of Pakistan, their rights have been plunderd brutally - their resources grabbed, their land awarded to goondas and mafia, their language given a secondary or tertiary status - only in the name of religions: we are muslims; we are all brothers to each others. And that's why a one can easily feel that Sindhis are somehow feeling 'disconnected' from the establishment of Pakistan - and how rightly!

I also had this discussion of choosing between religion and homeland. Amazingly enough, 69% people, so far, have voted to go for homeland and not religion which, at least for me, was surprising as I had thought that Pakistanis are too overwhelmed by religion that they would be willing to pay any price. You can read the post along with the poll here: http://mespeaks.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/homeland-or-religion/

And, I also weep over what happened after the partition. How Sindhis were treated by Punjabis and Mohajirs -- the future-setters! I tried to picture the incident in a bit different way here: http://mespeaks.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/this-is-my-own-my-native-land/

Allah khush rakhy awhan khy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magsi Saheb, i guess it&#8217;s not between secularism and &#8216;religious chauvinism&#8217;(?), it&#8217;s that we&#8217;ve risked our homeland, too, as i see it. Religious fanaticism has yielded nothing but distress and animosity between people of Pakistan. Sindhis are, by nature, very secular and prefer humanity over religions (one can do a research on it to (dis)prove this). Whereas, after the creation of Pakistan, their rights have been plunderd brutally - their resources grabbed, their land awarded to goondas and mafia, their language given a secondary or tertiary status - only in the name of religions: we are muslims; we are all brothers to each others. And that&#8217;s why a one can easily feel that Sindhis are somehow feeling &#8216;disconnected&#8217; from the establishment of Pakistan - and how rightly!</p>
<p>I also had this discussion of choosing between religion and homeland. Amazingly enough, 69% people, so far, have voted to go for homeland and not religion which, at least for me, was surprising as I had thought that Pakistanis are too overwhelmed by religion that they would be willing to pay any price. You can read the post along with the poll here: <a href="http://mespeaks.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/homeland-or-religion/" rel="nofollow">http://mespeaks.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/homeland-or-religion/</a></p>
<p>And, I also weep over what happened after the partition. How Sindhis were treated by Punjabis and Mohajirs &#8212; the future-setters! I tried to picture the incident in a bit different way here: <a href="http://mespeaks.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/this-is-my-own-my-native-land/" rel="nofollow">http://mespeaks.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/this-is-my-own-my-native-land/</a></p>
<p>Allah khush rakhy awhan khy!</p>
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		<title>By: Another Indian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.

~ Shakespeare</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a tide in the affairs of men,<br />
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;<br />
Omitted, all the voyage of their life<br />
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.<br />
On such a full sea are we now afloat,<br />
And we must take the current when it serves,<br />
Or lose our ventures.</p>
<p>~ Shakespeare</p>
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