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Firqa Wariat

By Tariq • Feb 29th, 2008 • Category: Misc • 11 Comments

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  1. I don’t know.. but I feel like talking to a wall.

    I have no issues with posts like these.. UNLESS ‘everyone’ is allowed to say what he/she wants to say and if they belong to ‘any’ sect. If there is a restriction on opinions and posts.. then I do not think its a good idea. You are sunni my brother. I am a sunni too. You are allowed to write up such posts. My comments are ‘deleted’ though I was not even defending ahmadis rather defending ‘right to ones faith’. The comments on your posts by an ahamdi (I suppose) have been deleted. What does that show? that TPS is biased? I am afraid it does. Here they cant handle comments against sunnis.. how on earth can one imagine writing a post!

    TPS can not posts cartoons of Prophet Muhammad. Why? because its down right insulting and prejudiced to certain people having the faith of “Islam”. You can not say whatever you have in mind because there is a decorum on multi-faceted forum like TPS where people of all sorts come.

    You mention the hate comments written about ahmadis against other sects… this is exactly my point. Unfortunately, we all ‘hate’ each other when it comes to faith. Its a multi-tiered hate :p On top is, I assume, Muslims Vs Ahmadiya. Then it would be Muslims Vs Jews. Then Shia vs Sunni and later on perhaps Deobandi Vs Barelvi. This is ugly! And this should not happen!

    The respected brother and sisters you mention.. Prof Armaghan Khan, Farzana Mir, Adnan Siddiqui, lalarukh, Tariq Chaudry… I assume all of us (if not all, then almost) are sunnis?

    And concern yourself with arguments brother.. not what a person uses as pseudonym. Grow up.

    Peace. Not hatred.

  2. dear postman.In a way i agree with you,you want to avoid such discussions which cause hatred among humen being.this thing is positive on your part but lets look to the other side of the mirror.if some one is telling lie and spreading it through every mean and confusing the young muslim generation then its the responsibility of every muslim to defend their faith.tariq is inviting them to the ground of arguments.if they have some: then they are welcome.we will judge both sides by merit.thats the style of quran which invites the humen kind to use their own skills of heart and mind.to observe vast panoramma of truth and to ponder on the facts and then decide by themselves.if we indulge in such fact finding mission certainly we will find the truth without humiliating any one.please take it that way and contribute your consractive thoughts.

  3. dear postman.In a way i agree with you,you want to avoid such discussions which cause hatred among humen being.this thing is positive on your part but lets look to the other side of the mirror.if some one is telling lie and spreading it through every mean and confusing the young muslim generation then its the responsibility of every muslim to defend their faith.tariq is inviting them to the ground of arguments.if they have some: then they are welcome.we will judge both sides by merit.thats the style of quran which invites the humen kind to use their own skills of heart and mind.to observe vast panoramma of truth and to ponder on the facts and then decide by themselves.if we indulge in such fact finding mission certainly we will find the truth without humiliating any one.please take it that way and contribute your constractive thoughts.

  4. Ok tell me why brother Tariq is only focusing on Ahmadiya? :)
    Perhaps my this post will make things clear what I want to say..
    http://think-islam.blogspot.com/2008/03/i-hate-you.html

    Who can decide one is correct or not when it comes to faith? How do you know that you are correct being a sunni? somehow I believe faith can only be judged by God.

    Yes I agree. Issues must be discussed. Being a sunni, you obviously feel threatened by an ahmadi’s ‘lies’ (according to you). If you feel you want to reply, please feel free to post it on your own site and not this forum where person of ‘every faith’ comes in… TPS is not a forum where only faith-related issues are discussed. A Pakistani ahmadi would not feel welcome here even if he wants to as he might be reading any other topic of social interest perhaps. I would not go to a forum where Islam is insulted, naturally.

    w’salam.

  5. salam
    Lets clear something first. It’s not a matter of suni shia and else. Whole Muslim community belonging to each and every sect treats ahmadies as non Muslim. But they (Ahmedies)are claiming themselves muslim.if they concede that they are preaching a new religion i.e. ahmadia ism then we have nothing to do with them. Nor we need to drag them to the ground of arguments.

  6. Let me make more things clear.

    1. This is about shia, sunni and other sects including Ahmadiya. A sunni is posting about ahmadiya who have the opinion that they are non-muslims. Ahmadiya consider themselves muslims and all of you are non-muslims. (Frankly I can trash all of these ‘muslim’/'non-muslim’ arguments with a single verse of Quran)

    2. TPS is not a forum where religious beliefs and especially against a particular sect discussions are held. Its a diverse topic platform where people of every faith come. You should not give it an anti-ahmadiyya look or any sect for that matter. (Why the hell am I supporting TPS! I am not its phupharr!)

    3. Why on earth would they ‘concede’ that they are not muslims?! would you ‘concede’ to their assertion that ‘you’ are not a muslim? The arguments should take place BUT on your own blogs/ sites. Discussions of such topics usually through up hate garbage instead of solid arguments and I am not fan of spreading hatred anyways.

    4. Why Brother Tariq is writing only against Ahmadiyya? Why not any other sect? When is he going to write against ‘kufr’ acts of shias? There must be some! sunnis and shias out do each other in terming each other kafir! Or he would rather not post on these issues becasue he wants religious harmony?!

    w’salam…

  7. hah
    you are toeing the same line again and again.tariq is advocating his point of view and inviting the ahmadies to answer his questions.now ball is in the court of ahmadies then can come forward and give their own arguments.you and me would judge them on the basis of their arguments.as regard of TPS it will facilitate both of the views and remain impartial.so far tariq didn’t created any hatred and carefully chose his words to express his mind the other side should also adopt the the same course of action.and by the way why are uuuu so much touchy about ahmadiesssss.

  8. *sigh*

    1. I am not touchy about ahmadis. I am touchy about hatred. Thats why I gave that link so you could understand what is the ‘problem’ with me.

    2. “now ball is in the court of ahmadies then can come forward and give their own arguments”
    You can say that easily because you are a sunni and its not against you.

    3. “as regard of TPS it will facilitate both of the views and remain impartial”
    Oh I have seen that. Check out the first post of brother Tariq. Make sure you observe all the ‘deleted’ comments - including mine!

  9. Are Ahmadis allowed to preach?

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  11. Ahmadis are non muslims
    its clear no doubt in it

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