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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-91194</link>
		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aftab S Alam:

 I do not know why I always write your name as Aftab Aslam? Sorry. I think I need some more Badaams to eat or... its Roza (fasting) of 15-16 hours a day.

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aftab S Alam:</p>
<p> I do not know why I always write your name as Aftab Aslam? Sorry. I think I need some more Badaams to eat or&#8230; its Roza (fasting) of 15-16 hours a day.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-91192</link>
		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear Aftab Aslam and Friends,

Present day land of Pakistan has always stayed as the 'Gate way' to the fertile lands of subcontinents the hub of civilizations, ever flourishing  and nurtured with it rivers flowing down its length irrigating its vast plans, delivering the serene of life and peace and plenty. The land was known as land full of miracles and  mysteries. 

This has always attracted the other nations from the west to come here and extricate the spoils and riches of this land. Persians and Turks located near by have long been extorting taxes especially from Indus valley; later came the Aryan and Alexander known as Alexander the great from Europe. European had the knack of being artisan, ship building and the craze to carry out excursion abroad. Alexander came with his great armies to conquer this part of world. He came in from Swat side Pir Sir (pass)and entered Gandharan city of Taxila. Taxila was the seat of knowledge and learning of Vedic Hindus and Buddhists; where the docile King of Ambi of Taxila fearing the mass destruction to his land and people at the hands of invading armies submitted to Alexander. Alexnder carved the way for many more adventurers to come and after him the Mongols , Mahmood of Ghazna and Moguls all came down the Hindukush Mountains as well as from the seas and finally terminating at British Raj.
 

All the intrusions and invasion have been with the views to come rule this land extricate the benefits; Rob the people what all they possess and leave them depleted.

As I say the Roses, the beautiful of these flower on its display and its splendour all lies in growing of thorns on its route s of approach of its assailant on its stems that may harm it. No throne; no splendour and no colours and fragrance in roses.  India's docile contended people have rarely been travelling beyond their own environ that this land always gave them plenty to live by. But they failed to defend themselves; they were always subjugated by the intruders. They lost their richesand were always left depleted. It resulted in diminishing of all their society values and knowledge and what all was there in their civilizations. Ultimately it was robed and it diminished.

No miracles happen in slavery and subjugation.

*Lahoo mangti hey Zameen e wattan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear Aftab Aslam and Friends,</p>
<p>Present day land of Pakistan has always stayed as the &#8216;Gate way&#8217; to the fertile lands of subcontinents the hub of civilizations, ever flourishing  and nurtured with it rivers flowing down its length irrigating its vast plans, delivering the serene of life and peace and plenty. The land was known as land full of miracles and  mysteries. </p>
<p>This has always attracted the other nations from the west to come here and extricate the spoils and riches of this land. Persians and Turks located near by have long been extorting taxes especially from Indus valley; later came the Aryan and Alexander known as Alexander the great from Europe. European had the knack of being artisan, ship building and the craze to carry out excursion abroad. Alexander came with his great armies to conquer this part of world. He came in from Swat side Pir Sir (pass)and entered Gandharan city of Taxila. Taxila was the seat of knowledge and learning of Vedic Hindus and Buddhists; where the docile King of Ambi of Taxila fearing the mass destruction to his land and people at the hands of invading armies submitted to Alexander. Alexnder carved the way for many more adventurers to come and after him the Mongols , Mahmood of Ghazna and Moguls all came down the Hindukush Mountains as well as from the seas and finally terminating at British Raj.</p>
<p>All the intrusions and invasion have been with the views to come rule this land extricate the benefits; Rob the people what all they possess and leave them depleted.</p>
<p>As I say the Roses, the beautiful of these flower on its display and its splendour all lies in growing of thorns on its route s of approach of its assailant on its stems that may harm it. No throne; no splendour and no colours and fragrance in roses.  India&#8217;s docile contended people have rarely been travelling beyond their own environ that this land always gave them plenty to live by. But they failed to defend themselves; they were always subjugated by the intruders. They lost their richesand were always left depleted. It resulted in diminishing of all their society values and knowledge and what all was there in their civilizations. Ultimately it was robed and it diminished.</p>
<p>No miracles happen in slavery and subjugation.</p>
<p>*Lahoo mangti hey Zameen e wattan</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-90112</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Khokar, I wish to see your comments or ideas on my comments / thought above, especially the second paragraph in my comments. Will you, please, let me hear what you might have to say here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Khokar, I wish to see your comments or ideas on my comments / thought above, especially the second paragraph in my comments. Will you, please, let me hear what you might have to say here?</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-89666</link>
		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What went Wrong?

Yes; one can’t take a flight beyond imaginations; our imagination develops our thoughts and helps set our dreams and goals.

In Muslim World, after the Fall of Ottoman Empire and in the face of a humiliating retreat from Europe as well as subjugation of Muslims at the hands of crusaders  during Word War I even at home; this was literally taken as a wrath of God. Subjugated, destitute; people were tended to go down in a state of wide spread guilt and grief. Some how few Islamic movements emerging from Egypt and Jordan exploited the situation and rather than rescuing the Ummah and giving them the hope for future; [Idhar doobay; uther nicklay,] they emphasized the entire ummah to go into self repentance; with an endeavour of leaving the world altogether as mortal, use less phenomena and took the ummah into a hibernation. Where as after World War II, this World around us has progressed in leaps and bounds but Muslim Ummah is still found in slumber land.

This Ummah is in dire need of a Visionary and a Saviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What went Wrong?</p>
<p>Yes; one can’t take a flight beyond imaginations; our imagination develops our thoughts and helps set our dreams and goals.</p>
<p>In Muslim World, after the Fall of Ottoman Empire and in the face of a humiliating retreat from Europe as well as subjugation of Muslims at the hands of crusaders  during Word War I even at home; this was literally taken as a wrath of God. Subjugated, destitute; people were tended to go down in a state of wide spread guilt and grief. Some how few Islamic movements emerging from Egypt and Jordan exploited the situation and rather than rescuing the Ummah and giving them the hope for future; [Idhar doobay; uther nicklay,] they emphasized the entire ummah to go into self repentance; with an endeavour of leaving the world altogether as mortal, use less phenomena and took the ummah into a hibernation. Where as after World War II, this World around us has progressed in leaps and bounds but Muslim Ummah is still found in slumber land.</p>
<p>This Ummah is in dire need of a Visionary and a Saviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-88520</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, it is very well written summary of the human civilization and the briefest reminder of our achievements as humans and how we got so far. 

The only point that I wish clarified is; where our role in it is. Are we not just the beneficiary of all these developments or should we identify ourselves as contributory force in it. I guess what I am trying to find out if merely by accepting Islam as our religion we may claim an ownership to the achievements and contributions of our coreligionists? Does accepting a religion automatically erases the history of a civilization of a people? I fail to identify myself with, say, Syrian or Iraq or Egypt, Iran, Turkey or for that matter the “The golden age of Muslim science and philosophy”. It is history of different people from different regions, who, also were Muslims as they believed Islam in their regions and times. 

Any attempt to confuse our history or our civilization with any other people is, for me, a falsification of history, our history. We, the people of Pakistan, have our own civilization and our own history. Yes, as Islam came here and we accepted it, and we came in contact with its diversified armies and learnt few or many things from their multi-cultured background, which must have enriched us as people. However, we remained and are part and continuation of our own civilization, the Indus Valley Civilization, which has been there and thrived, for many thousands of years. Pakistan and western India are part of this civilization. It was the earliest known urban culture of the Indian subcontinent. It covered an area the size of western Europe. The Indus Valley civilization was the largest of the four ancient civilizations of Egypt, Mesopotamia, India and China; but at the same time the least is known about it. It is due to the Indus script has not yet been deciphered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, it is very well written summary of the human civilization and the briefest reminder of our achievements as humans and how we got so far. </p>
<p>The only point that I wish clarified is; where our role in it is. Are we not just the beneficiary of all these developments or should we identify ourselves as contributory force in it. I guess what I am trying to find out if merely by accepting Islam as our religion we may claim an ownership to the achievements and contributions of our coreligionists? Does accepting a religion automatically erases the history of a civilization of a people? I fail to identify myself with, say, Syrian or Iraq or Egypt, Iran, Turkey or for that matter the “The golden age of Muslim science and philosophy”. It is history of different people from different regions, who, also were Muslims as they believed Islam in their regions and times. </p>
<p>Any attempt to confuse our history or our civilization with any other people is, for me, a falsification of history, our history. We, the people of Pakistan, have our own civilization and our own history. Yes, as Islam came here and we accepted it, and we came in contact with its diversified armies and learnt few or many things from their multi-cultured background, which must have enriched us as people. However, we remained and are part and continuation of our own civilization, the Indus Valley Civilization, which has been there and thrived, for many thousands of years. Pakistan and western India are part of this civilization. It was the earliest known urban culture of the Indian subcontinent. It covered an area the size of western Europe. The Indus Valley civilization was the largest of the four ancient civilizations of Egypt, Mesopotamia, India and China; but at the same time the least is known about it. It is due to the Indus script has not yet been deciphered.</p>
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		<title>By: Ausaf Ahmad</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-88264</link>
		<dc:creator>Ausaf Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post &#38; Excellent Work ..</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Imran</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-88179</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Imran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extremely enlightening. Great work</description>
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		<title>By: Dr Razahaider</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-87737</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Razahaider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a master piece of work,excellent post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a master piece of work,excellent post</p>
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		<title>By: jett</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/eulogising-past-glories/comment-page-1/#comment-87735</link>
		<dc:creator>jett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well written post. Really enjoyed it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well written post. Really enjoyed it!</p>
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