Demo [of] Crazy
By Tanzeel • Mar 26th, 2009 • Category: Politics • 24 CommentsThe only point on which entire nation is united is all politicians are corrupted but we still vote for them and get them elected as a result they come in power ruin the country and quit. In next elections we get the next candidate elected keeping in mind that he would have been tamed but he proves himself more crooked than his predecessor, later their children take over and then their children’s children and the cycle goes on. We have the same old faces in politics which are simply unable to run country the way it should be. The most amazing thing about this country is it’s we who get these crooked leaders elected and later curse them however as compared to politicians — military dictators (though come in power by force) they do well for the country in terms of economy, development, foreign policy etc. Interestingly we in the beginning welcome them, distribute sweets on military coups but later the nation starts expressing grief, our demand for democracy starts and we ultimately bring the same hypocrite political leaders again who we knew are the worst creatures on earth. The question arises why we are so much influenced with the word “Democracy” despite knowing the fact that it never worked in Pakistan because of obvious reasons. Even today we have democratically elected government but I never saw even a single day when they were not cursed or even abused. I would not blame any leader for this mishap. I believe it’s we who don’t deserve development. In dictators’ regime productivity and the “essence of democracy” (freedom of media, minority rights, women empowerment, local government etc) could be experienced but in democracy we have parliament, politicians, provincial assemblies etc but we still don’t have ‘democracy’. Our leaders still prefer to resolve issues on streets instead of parliament. Our President who represents the biggest political party of Pakistan is one of the most corrupt men in Pakistan. If this is the case I believe the Pakistani nation is not made for democracy or we still need to understand what a true democracy is. We are still not civilized enough to fulfill demands of democracy. The country where feudalism and dynasty politics have strong roots cannot emerge as true democracy, logically it can’t. Current situation of our country and the attitude of our political leaders is a proof that“A Good dictatorship is better than the worst democracy”. The survival of Pakistan is in “dictatorship”or “Democracy under the umbrella of Dictatorship” (Musharraf’s Model) at least for some more time.
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In my view we the people (the ‘demo’ part of ‘democracy) are being driven ‘crazy’ by these thugs where is democracy? Plutocracy? Yes, it is there! Claptocracy? Yes, it is there! but we never had anything close to democracy. That’s why I say:
THEY ALL MUST GO!
(ban them from any role in public life forever!)
and what alternate do yo suggest ?
You guys have to realise that your nation was born out of a desire to live in an ISLAMIC state, a concept that may be true for binding different types of people decades ago, but which has lost all relevance today. This concept of an ISLAMIC state is inherently against a democratic system of governance. Since, as a nation, all of you accepted to live in an ISLAMIC state, I see no reason why you all tried to blend democracy with it. And you suffer the consequences of this confused state of affairs.
Either you guys should live in an ISLAMIC society, with SHARIA laws and stuff, (isn’t this what you guys wanted when you separated out from us Indians??) or come out of this dreamworld you are trying to create and choose a secular democracy. How can you call yourself democratic, if you cannot tolerate people of another religion living amongst you?? I find it totally ironic that even the elite in Pakistan thing they can mix the two concepts.
And yes, India is a true democracy, has been for centuries, and that is the reason why we as a nation have survived all - muslim invasions, Brithish rule….. Because we know the true meaning of living together inspite of diversity.
You as a nation have been a confused lot, mixing everything you do with religion. Religions have been and will continue to be created by some of us who think they know better than others, and can influence others with what THEY think is the correct thing. The inherent flaw in this is that you dont need someone else to tell you how to live, you should know it yourself, if you have the basic human intellect. GOD is in each one of us, and WE here in India believe, we are free to interpret ourselves what is right and what isn’t!!
Isn’t that true democracy??
Sorry to say but the crises we are facing have nothing to with religion but politics. It’s the power game. Secondly you please get your facts straight. Pakistan was never made for Shariah nor it was the creation of Mullah but a secular leader who demanded the independent nation to avoid RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION Muslims were facing in India. We wanted the land where Muslims could freely practice their religion and enjoy their basic rights. Jinnah never demanded Shariah in Pakistan.
We don’t call ourselves Secular but an Islamic state (Islamic Republic of Pakistan) where minorities have every right to practice their religion. What on earth makes you think that we don’t tolerate non Muslims in Pakistan ? How many temple demolitions, massacres, and military operations on Gordhwaras or burning of churches have you witnessed in Pakistan?
NS, True democracy doesn’t guarantee survival. If India were a true democracy they won’t have split into two parts and more than a dozen freedom struggles “The largest democracy on earth” would have been witnessing.
good question Tanzeel.. what is the alternative? we aren’t happy with dictators, aren’t happy with democratic elections.. i wonder what is it that the people want? more than anything its high time the people realize their role in the stability of this country. this consistent bickering and “ilzam tarashi”, mud slinging has got to stop. instead of harassing our rulers we need to support them completely so we can get the country on track. as it stands we have a lot to face abroad, there has to be unity within.
Tanzeel, For heaven’s sake, dont constantly live in denial !! You guys wanted an ISLAMIC state where you could be free to practice what you wanted to do - live in a state which has laws based on what the Muslim religion says !! That is what you were looking for when you made ‘THE ISLAMIC STATE OF PAKISTAN’. Why are you shying away from it now, when the guys up northwest want to impose the SHARIA?? If the religion says that all women have to wear the BURKA, then so be it, you chose it that way !!
We and my fellow muslims in India chose to let us individually decide what we want to follow and what not to follow. We have no plans of being an ISLAMIC or a HINDU state. We just want to be an INDIAN state. Here, we are not bothered about religion, but follow a way of life. We are not obsessed with what some guy or a couple of guys have said centuries before, well if someone wants to follow whatever religion they wish to, it is their plan in life. The state does not impose restrictions based on religion.
Yes there are some problems we still face, but we dont deny it, and are not scared to speak against it, or prosecute and bring to justice people who do not allow others to follow a democratic way of life. Whenever there is something outrageous done to say the Muslims or Christians in India, there are far more stronger reactions from the HINDU brothers in support of the others Muslim or Christian citizens.
I do not want to make this a comparison between the two nations, but what I am saying is that both our nations became independent and “DEMOCRATIC” together, albiet you guys ahead of us by one day !! Yet after 60 years you are floundering and in a much worse situation than us. We are moving towards a brighter future, whereas all we can see for you from here is a dark future, while hoping all the while that you guys find your feet soon enough.
Why don’t you sit back and analyse why you are where you are and we where we are. I mean, everything else seems to be the same, except the fact that you chose the religious (ISLAMIC) thing to start with. In your words, you chose to separate in order to be able to practice the ISLAMIC way of life without prosecution from the HINDU majority. Thats now a big laugh considering you are now fighting with each other while trying to figure out if you want to follow that way of life or not !!
Thats the start point of your problems. Nations are not and should not be made on religious ideas. Those that do faulter and will eventually be eaten up from within, because religion has an inherent problem of not changing with times.
Think about it. It is not me alone who is saying all this, the whole world is saying the same thing - that living a life and following a belief are two separate things. You mix them up then you are in for big trouble. The case in point is the Talibanisation of your nation. Those people whom you gave freedom (Sic) to practice only one religion cannot now accept another. It is unthinkable for them to allow Hindus, Jews, Christians or Budhists to live amongst them. But then you only initiated this idea of an ISLAMIC state when you started 60 years back, and never made any efforts to understand other points of view or other religions. You now suffer the consequences of these flawed policies.
You wish to live in a democracy, you will have to relearn the way to live in peace with yourselves and your surroundings. Maybe change the ISLAMIC thingi you have so bound yourself into.
PS - I dont even want to start the comparison of religious tolerance, but just ask yourself, how many Hindu temples/Christian churches etc etc remain in your FATA and NWFP?? Haven’t you guys destroyed all of them?? And have you heard ONE Hindu complaining??
NS: As I said this issue has nothing to do with the ISLAMIC SYSTEM / SHARIAH. Pakistan is purely going through a political mess (read not religious), had Jinnah wanted to impose Shariah he would have done that when the country was made. Nor in his speeches we find the element of radical Islam or Sharia based Government. Pakistanis realize the fact that we have got this nation for Muslims’ Independence not for MUSLIMS ONLY. This wave of Shariah has lately been introduced on our western borders that too because of 9/11 thing which incited religious sentiments of Muslims.
As for what kind of Governance we want in Pakistan — believe me there is no issue of Sharia vs Secularism in Pakistan the issue is Corrupt politicians that’s why dictators have to take over, fix the country and hand it over to politicians to ruin. For imposition of Sharia. I believe if the true Islamic system they impose in those areas then there shouldn’t be problem but the thing is they are trying to import ‘Afghani Shariah” they want a cultural change in Pakistan — This is not Shariah — problem in Pakistan has only emerged because of our Geo strategic position and the political situation of the region after 9/11 etc. Before that we were in peace!
Now let’s talk about India. As you say you live in a harmonious environment in HINDUstan. You have no issues with what others do but the thing is you don’t live in ISLAMIC SYSTEM which is asked by Allah to impose. You are actually talking to me about Personal Laws. Praying 5 times with Freedom or constructing mosque is not Islam but your personal adherence with religion in some other system. In an Islamic system i.e SHARIAH you are bound to follow to the system. Islamic Government demands lot more than what you are actually following.
I am not criticizing your acts but hereafter you will be asked by Allah like what you did to impose Allah’s governance in your land and your reply will be. “In HINDUSTAN we used to pray 5 times, did good deeds and that’s it but the order YOU had given to us was indeed not fulfilled because we never tried to”.
Tanzeel, I am left speechless. And this is what I and all other people across the world are trying to tell all of your type, who have religion ingrained in your blood.
Plase come out of your closed mindset and understand that there is more to life than Allah/God - whatever. Praying 5 times a day will not get you to heaven, Simply because there is NO HEAVEN OR HELL OTHER THAN WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT HERE ON EARTH. What you do NOW is what matters for you. The concept of GOD in Hindu religion is simple, there is NO GOD but you yourself and your deeds now. You will shape your future times by your deeds today. You are free to do what you want to do, only be prepared for the consequences IN THIS LIFE itself.
This is something of a concept you can never understand because the concept of Allah/God is so ingrained in your psyche that you can never think beyond that.
For the sake of humanity, just learn to live beyond this religion thing. Come out of it and see that there is a big world beyong religion. Life has much more to offer. You will be able to follow the voice from within, rather than relying on the word conveyed to you by some other.
The point is, BE FREE to actually understand freedom.
well done Tanzeen. . . but i have found a thing very common in Maham and Tanzeel.
may i say that Tanzeel is Maham, and Maham is Tanzeel
NS, you are not getting my point. As I say a common Pakistani is not religion conscious precisely SHARIAH. As for living beyond religion is concerned I MY personal views are secualr but we can’t deny the fact as a MUSLIM something is ordered to us. Secularism is not encouraged in Islam. Do you agree with this fact ?
Okay, so now we are getting somewhere. This is the point that we all (the OTHERS of the world) are making. Secularism is not encouraged in Islam, but don’t you think it is this very reason (the fact that you founded a Nation on Islamic ideology) that you have not moved on towards living freely and towards a true democracy.
Whenever some of your leaders have tried to combine liberal views of Islam with governance, your people have shot them down (literally). Thereafter, no leader or Military ruler ever tried the liberal form of Islam followed by Turkey, a nation which is progressing leaps and bounds, inspite of majority having the same religion as yours.
Islam is followed in Turkey, but it is not mixed with governance and everything else that you do in your daily lives. Look where they are moving. I don’t have great regards for Musharaf for what he did in Kargil, but I thought he was one leader who undid what Zia-ul-Haq had made your Army into, a religious fanatic group of lunatics. Thankfully, Kayani is continuing this good work. I remember a time when under Zia, the whole nation was made to offer prayers, and within the Army there were informers on people who did not pray 5 times a day !! I can’t imagine a Democratic and Free nation enforcing religion on its citizens. How can this be called freedom !!
Open yourselves to true freedom within yourselves, then only will you be able to implement true freedom within your nation.
So I come to the start point of my comments to your blog, the inherent nature of your interpretation and implementation of religion in your daily lives, since the day you got independent from the British, is in conflict with democratic principles and freedom, and you will never be able to be free unless you realize this and disassociate religion from your daily lives and governance.
We in India are facing similar problems, but in a very small magnitude, from fanatic religious groups, but then we are strongly fighting them, because the majority are clear that religion is just a personal thing, and Nations cannot be run on religious beliefs. Take the examples of the few incidents that have taken place in Karnataka, where some girls were taken out of a Pub and beaten up. The whole nation stood behind those girls. They have a right to do what they want, because we have grown as a nation, and have realized that if today we give in to these fanatics, our freedom will be at stake. No one in India can tell me when and how to pray, not even my parents, let alone the state.
That my friend is called freedom and democracy.
Hi Tanzeel and Sidra,
You are not getting the point which NS is making.
Please read comment 7. What you are saying is being practised by Muslims in Thailand south, Philipines,Myanmar etc.Saudi Arabia is considered the purest Islamic state where women are not even allowed to drive as per Islamic edict.They allow only south asian men as drivers for Saudi women as they are considered inferior to SAudi men!!!Do u realy believe that Arabic Islam.Indian Sufi islam is what recently Taliban destoryed in Quetta.MUSLIM UMMA is important to you.So you are hurt because palestenians are not having freedom but they are Muslims now.Again you can cry because India was ruled by Mughals and now majority is in secular India where 80% are Hindus.You cannot learn from your mistakes as it is prohibited in Islam.Denmark was one of the most open society with liberal views and imported Muslims from Turkey,Africa and now only 4% Muslims are involved in 38% of rapes in Denmark, 12% murders etc.They just want Muslims out after the cartoon fiasco..147 Girls schools are closed in SWAT.
You are actually asking Indian Muslims to spread Islam to Hindus(Kafirs) and christians living there.Is it not disaffection?
Hi Tanzeel,
I got the following mail from a friend in Canada.You may not like it.But this discussion must have this view also.
“”"”The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time.
The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.
Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it
offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets -all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?
By the 1990’s the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious.
Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark ’s liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their
long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in
equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.
An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted, accurately, that the growing immigrant
problem inDenmark would explode. In the article they reported:
‘Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.’
‘Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark’s 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country’s convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.’
‘Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population.
A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.’
‘Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem’
‘Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark’s Muslim population grows large enough - a
not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist
estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.’
It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws.
An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and Canada: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who. as a teenager. had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.
In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe . ( Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of ‘racism’ by liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.)
If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark’s history, culture, and a Danish language test .
You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship.
You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark , you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won’t find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you.
You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen . Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark , they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren’t.
In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government’s welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system, as it
existed, was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. ‘We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration’.
‘The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now,’ he said.
A large thorn in the side of Denmark ’s imams is the Minister of
Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, ‘The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference,’ Hvilshøj says, ‘There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come.’ And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, ‘In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and freedom of speech.’
Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family’s thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark.
The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.
Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened.
Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whetherDenmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law.
And meanwhile, Canadians clamor for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in Canada look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history
.. we would do well to look to Denmark , and say a prayer for her future and for our own..”"”
NS: No, religion is not something we have dominated in our society. Still Pakistan is considered as one of the moderate nations if you compare us with typical middle-eastern Islamic countries where women can’t drive or she can be arrested if seen with Na Mehrems etc.
I never experienced in the history of Pakistan that any of our leaders have got killed just because he/she wanted to impose liberal views on us. Musharraf was the man who tried that he’s still alive (Masha Allah). I hope you are not referring Benazir as the victim of “RELIGIOUS extremist”.
Regarding Turkey — Islam and State are separate I agree but the same Turkey is not allowing their women to wear headscarves. What kind of secularism it is where you don’t allow your own people to wear what they want to. Please don’t give me examples of Turkey. Turkey is not a benchmark of Secularism.
Zia ul Haq introduced the radical version of Islam in late 70s but I won’t blame him for this. It was the need of time our borders were insecure bcause of Russian invasion on Aghanistan. It was all political maneuvering even Musharraf did the same in terms of policymaking. After 9/11 Islam’s image had severely been damaged — just to introduce softer Image of Islam he brought secular policies here. Instead of blaming Musharraf or Zia you should blame US for doing this with Pakistan.
We are indeed opened to freedom. Unfortunately you see what you want to see. Your media only covers what’s happening in tribal areas but you have no idea about rest of the nation which is moderate.
I agree that religion is a personal matter but this is my personal opinion. A Muslim who has studied Islam would not probably endorse your views. God demands you to implement ISLAMIC system — how can you deny HIS orders being Muslim? In Pakistan we have no situation like Karnatka or something. Nobody has FORCED his laws on us in Pakistan. (Read not Tribal areas).
I asked you a simple question but you never replied to me: Has Allah ordered us to implement Islamic way of Governance in society or not?
In the end I reiterate that Pakistan is going through a political turmoil it has nothing to do with religion.
Johann [12]: Here exactly the problem lies. No sir, Saudi Arabia might be considered as PURE ISLAMIC STATE in the eyes of WEST but its not. Islam doesn’t ask you to JAIL your women or not allow her to work etc. They are mixing their cultural and Islamic laws and life has become tougher for Saudi women. You people have developed a mindset that Islam doesn’t freedom to women.
I don’t believe in Arabic or Disney Islam. Islam is one which is unfortunately not being practiced anywhere in the world except Iran. West has done enough propaganda about them but if we closely observe them they are literally progressing by keeping their religious and cultural values intact. Their literacy rate is about 80%.; Iran is the only Muslim country where Stem cell research is allowed, their women work, study. It’s a true MODERN ISLAMIC nation in my eyes. I hope you know the difference between Modernization and Westernization?
As for Danish Muslims, please don’t give me their examples they are the citizens of Denmark and Islam has not taken guarantee of each and every Muslim. I thought you think beyond religion but here by sidelining MUSLIMS in a LIBERAL/ SECULAR country you have proved how tolerant your mindset is. If Denmark was a theocratic state I would have discussed religion with you but a country where people are not judged by religion should not be highlighted as Muslims or Jews. They are Danish people and that’s it.
Dear Tanzeel,
Your words — “I asked you a simple question but you never replied to me: Has Allah ordered us to implement Islamic way of Governance in society or not?”
I rest my case
tanzeel
democracy turns into demo of crazy when there is no rule of law and negligible attention to people’s interests.Politician all over the world are recognized as liars and hypocrites but its the political infrastructure of a system that makes check and balance on them and never allow them to deviate from national goals.The relation of Politicians with people and judiciary system is like parents and their children.If you have strong judicial system it would play the role of father to punish his kid on wrong doings and always keep an eye on their wrong doings.People ’s character should be like the mother that keeps these politicians on moral track through her pampering attitude.They should be snubbed, criticized and encouraged on on spot issues instead of covering their criminal attitude for personal favors So when parents are strong and sincere politicians grow like strong characters but when parents opt different directions for personal gains and interests, we see characterless politicians.Due to military intervene our parents adopt laws of necessities and prefer marriage of convenience and result is zardari like character is our President. So before rehabilitation of politicians we have to focus on judiciary and people’s desire and give them empowerment.Right now we have selected this path, dream of free judiciary is gaining momentum and media is becoming stronger and stronger reflecting people’s priorities on state’s interests so lets hope for the good time to come.
Verbal and physical clash on religious issue always erupts riots and bloodshed respectively.hence Sufism is always considered the best theme for spreading message of one’s religion and it is love for all and all for love.
Tanzeel
@ 15
“As for Danish Muslims, please don’t give me their examples they are the citizens of Denmark and Islam has not taken guarantee of each and every Muslim.”
If you believe in your above opinion, then why do muslims in pakistan falsely accuse indian non-muslims of doing injustice to muslims? Why the hell to pakistanis always put their nose in indian internal affairs?
Tell me.
Hi Tanzeel,
A similar debate is going on in an Indian website of Indian Muslims. I am copy pasting an article by our lady professor and 3 comments i found interesting amongst somany.
The threat of political Islam
Submitted by on 23 March 2009 - 9:39pm.
By Sadia Dehlvi
The trail of terror continues with cricketers as the latest target. The Mumbai and Lahore attacks, public executions and the murder of over a thousand civilians in the Swat valley by Taliban style terrorists are horrifying examples of atrocities committed by militant groups thriving on political Islam. Global Muslim communities require urgent measures in condemning the agenda of political Islam that distorts religious scriptures to legitimise violence. This ideology of Islamism is threatening to replace a moderate and spiritual Islam, leading to the destruction of society, particularly oppressing women and minorities.
Muslims have a moral responsibility to engage in the social, political and economic development of the societies they live in. Global Muslim societies would do well in following the exceptional efforts of the Indian ulema in denouncing terrorism and de linking it with Islam. Sincere moral outrage needs to be expressed at Taliban atrocities in Afghanistan and Pakistan, political kidnappings and assassinations, militancy in Kashmir, Shia Sunni killings in Iraq and Pakistan, fatwas that condone suicide bombings in the Israel Palestine conflict and other such atrocities that effect innocent lives. Muslims require the consensus of the international community in combating extremism but our credibility is lost when we demonstrate selective outrage as in the aftermath of the Danish cartoons.
Political Islam draws its lifeblood from the ideology of fighting the oppressor, but has clearly become the oppressor itself. Even though some Islamist groups have renounced violence and accepted the principles of democracy, marginally improved their stand on women and minority rights, they remain socially conservative. In Jordan, the Islamist party does not support the rights of women to file for divorce. In Kuwait the Islamists fought against the right of women to vote. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood will not allow a woman or a person from a minority community to become head of state. Unfortunately, militant Islamist groups thrive in the political vacuum created by oppressive regimes in most Islamic countries.
Muslims must stop blaming the problem of extremism on catastrophic foreign policies for two wrongs simply do not make a right. Islamism is primarily a Muslim problem, threatening both Muslim and non- Muslim societies. We need to acknowledge there is a problem of theology when extremists talk of going straight to heaven after taking innocent lives.
The roots of all modern militant Islamic movements can be traced to one man called Abdul Wahab from Nejd in the Arabian Peninsula. He set out to ‘purify’ Islam, believing that Muslims had drifted away from true religion. Wahab’s followers destroyed many sacred sites he considered idols. Attacking the arts for being frivolous and dangerous, Wahab sanctioned violence against those who refused to follow his injunctions.
In 1774-5 Wahab negotiated a deal with the then nomadic tribe of Saud, forebears of the current royal family in exchange for support in their quest for political domination. Most Saudi’s reject the name Wahabbi; they either call themselves Muwahuddin- Unitarians- or Salafi, refering to salaf, the venerated companions of the Prophet. In this blinkered view, no other version of religious truth can exist. This new face of Islam wants nothing to do with Sufis, music, poetry, miracles or the countless devotional customs of Muslim cultures across the world.
Under the patronage of the Saudi Arabia, Wahabism went from strength to strength. Abul Ala Mawdudi, a journalist who translated the Quran outside the paradigms of classical propagated the Wahabi ideology. He founded Jamaat e Islami, making jihad central to Islamic discourse. Addressing non-Muslims as infidels, he grouped Muslims into ‘partial’ and ‘true’ Muslims. Mawdudi’s ideas of Islam as a revolutionary doctrine to take over governments and overturn the whole universal order deeply influenced Syed Qutub of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. These groups have been motivated by political upheavals and the rejection of traditional scholars. Syed Qutub’s brother happened to be among the teachers of Osama bin Laden.
The extremism now found in Makkah and Madinah, the heartland of Islam, is the Wahabi ideology that the Saudis have spent millions in promoting through their outreach programs. There is no tolerance for Shias, Sunni Sufis or other Muslim traditions, leave alone non -Muslims. Unfortunately, there is no collective Muslim protest against the Saudi regime for bulldozing graveyards, destroying cultural and religious heritage in the holy cities, radical sermons, or the distribution of radical literature outside Saudi mosques, many of them issuing calls for death to whoever they view as infidels or innovators of Islam. The problem of Muslim extremism began in the Muslim world and the responsibility of resolving it lies with us.
The inability to present a picture of Islam as a peaceful religion is a collective failure of global Muslim communities. We could begin with increasing the decibel in condemning violence, sectarianism, standing up for the rights of women, stop demonising the other as kufaar(infidels) and show increased support for democratic movements in Muslim countries. It is time for the devout, silent peace-loving Muslim majority to speak for Islam. Let us become louder than the radical voices that claim to represent us.
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Sadia Dehlvi is a Delhi based writer and author of the forthcoming book, “Sufism: The Heart of Islam” published by HarperCollins India.
comments 1.
Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “Every act of bid’ah is deviation (dhalaal), and every act of deviation will be in the Fire.”
The fitnah of bid’ah in our time revolves around grave-worship. A fundamental doctrine of the Bid’ah cult in our day, is belief and practice in grave-worship. Among the acts of shirk offered to the graves by members of the grave-worshipping cult are:
* Making ruku of the graves.
* Making sajdah to the graves.
* Making tawaaf of the graves.
* Kissing the graves.
* Reversing away from the graves in a show of excessive veneration for the graves.
* Decorating the graves with expensive bedding.
* Placing foodstuff at the graves.
* Arranging festivals and fairs at the graves. Such fairs are called “urs” by the grave-worshippers.
SHIRK AT THE GRAVESIDES
When they congregate at the grave of a Wali, they stand there like statues expressing great humility and veneration. In fact, the humility and reverence which they display at the graves of the Auliya are never shown in the Musjid when they have to perform Salaat for Allah Ta’ala.
At the graves of the Auliya they indulge in a variety of acts of shirk and kufr. They make sajdah to the graves and they make tawaaf thereof. But, according to Islam, Sajdah is to be rendered exclusively to Allah Ta’ala and Tawaaf exclusively to the Holy Ka’bah. They burn incense at the graves and they adorn the graves with lamps and lights in open violation of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam’s) prohibition to do so.
Grave-worship is not a new cult. It came into being after the age of Nooh A.S. Even the Christians and the Jews practised grave-worship, hence Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “Allah cursed the Yahood and the Nasaara because they converted the graves of their Ambiya into places of worship.”
This hadith as well as other narrations inform us that Allah’s curse settles on the cult of grave-worship. Muslims should, therefore, never be misled by the false slogans raised by the grave-worshippers. Participation, in the activities of the qabar-puja cult occasions the La’nat of Allah Ta’ala according to the explicit statement of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam).
The members of the grave-worship sect loudly proclaim their “love” for Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), but they ignore his condemnation of grave-worship. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) commanded: “Do not make an idol of my grave so that it be worshipped.”
On another occasion, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: `O Allah! Do not let my grave become an idol which will be worshipped.”
When even worshipping the grave of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) is prohibited, then by what stretch of imagination can the worshipping of the graves of the Auliya be permissible?
Many people not acquainted with the cult of the grave-worshippers are misled by slogans of “Hubbe Rasool” (Love of the Rasool) trumpeted by the leaders of this devious sect. Innocent and unknowledgeable people are ensnared by the sweet talk of Deen, expressed in flowery but insincere language by the peers of this cult of abomination. They vociferously proclaim their love for Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) but their life is devoid of the Sunnah of Nabi-e-Kareem (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Expression of the Sunnah in practical terms is the natural consequence of Hubbe Rasool (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). But, far, far from introducing the Sunnah in their lives, they eliminate the Sunnah and replace it with the rituals of shirk. Thus, their religion consists of graveworship, qawwaali, dancing, fun-fairs, eating, drinking in the name of dead saints and a host of other hotch-potch shirki rituals and beliefs, all borrowed from other religions of shirk and modified for the consumption of unwary and ignorant Muslims.
Grave-worship negates Imaan. It destroys Imaan since it is the very antithesis of Imaan. Islam does not subscribe to the marxist theory of the synthesis of opposites which the atheist asserted. Such ludicrous theories are spawned by minds maddened by atheism. Thus, Imaan cannot fuse with its opposite, viz., grave-worship, to produce a superior hybrid concept which according to the Ahle Bid’ah is the cult of grave-worship - a cult superior in their minds, to all forms of Islamic Ibaadat. Islam is uncompromising in its doctrine of Tauheed. Its monotheism is unique since it is not tainted by the slightest vestige of shirk. A Muslim, the bearer of Tauheed, cannot therefore participate in grave-worship and remain a Muslim. Qabar-puja eliminates Imaan.
And the hadiths clearly mentions that grave worship is forbidden in Islam. then why do Muslims do that. And as far as taking Islam back to the 7th century is concerned isn’t it the century when the message was revealed to the prophet(saws)? Isn’t it the way we have to live our lives? by following the prophet, and his message, which was revealed to him by Allah?
comments2.
Your revoking of Rasulullah and the argument leads to the fact that you support the TALIBAN ACTION OF BLASTING SUFI SHRINE IN PESHWAR. So why don’t you openly accept that if you have your way you would want the TOMBS at AJMEER SHARIFF, NIZZAMMUDHIN, CHHARAR-e- SHARIFF and all such other be “blasted”??? So what is the difference between TALIBAN and YOU??? Isn’t The Hindus hating “fanatic Muslims” like you legitimate, as Qur’an also direct you to destroy all place of IDOL WORSHIP, kill NON- BELIEVERS etc and you could turn against the Hindus after you have destroyed the AJMEER SHARIFF???
Since you strongly believe that all TOMB worship is unISLAMIC, why don’t you get a FATWAH declaring all MUSLIMS worshiping TOMBS as KAFIRs- non-Muslims??? Excommunicate them from Islam permanently.
comments 3.
Wahabism is not Islam; Maududism is not Islam; Qadiyanism is not Islam. Sadia Dehlvi is searching Islam among non-Islamic sects. Islam is Islam. Holy Quran and Sunnah (Hadith) are the dogmas of Islam. If Talibans did crime towards others, it is the criminality of Talibans, and not of Islam. Sri Rama Sena attacked the women in the pub. It is not by the Hindus. Sangh Parivar activist killed MK Gandhi, it is not the action of Hindu.
Afterall who told you, Wahabism is Islam? Some racial outfits (like kuklux clan) in America attack Indians. Is it Christian attack or American attack?
Muslims are Muslims. Wahabis are Wahabis. Maududis are Maududis. Qadiyanis are Qadiyanis. Do not mix it. Muslims follows Islam. Muslims can’t kill a man/woman. Because Islam prohibit it. He will not go to heaven (as you said) directly, but Islam warns him that he will go to hell stright forward (you failed to said that truth)
The problem is in understanding Islam. Do not think by saying Arabs, Kings etc..etc. will make something Islam. Islam is Islam and only Islam is Islam.
“If you believe in your above opinion, then why do muslims in pakistan falsely accuse indian non-muslims of doing injustice to muslims? Why the hell to pakistanis always put their nose in indian internal affairs?”
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Do Demolition of Mosques, Gujrat massacre burning nurses, bomb blasts in Muslims train, State terrorism in Kashmir come under JUSTICE ? We only blame India for atrocities because in spite of you claim of being secular — Christians and Muslims often become the victim of your hardcore religious organizations. Its not we own Indian Muslims but its sad to see the country try to become champion of secularism indulge inhumane acts however we just BLAME you for this. In Denmark we never saw human rights violation on this level. Being a civilized nation its our responsibility to voice our opinion against human rights violations.