This message is going to be pretty long. So its better to get yourself a cup of coffee or tea.

I read your response. I was glad to read your opinion of cleaning our own house first before pointing out the bad qualities of others. It was also nice to learn that you realize and admit that your government officials and defence services are brainwashing your people against India.

You also mentioned that Indians are more anti-pakistan as compared to Pakistanis. Can you support your claim? Have you ever removed some time to read anti-Indian articles written by many Pakistani writers published in Pakistani websites like this one? Just read it and then let me know, who is more anti-Indian or anti-Pakistani.

Now coming on the comedian artist Shakeel, please take a brief look below and consider the facts before your accusation.

After 26/11 Mumbai Terror attacks, the people of India were in a state of rage against Pakistan. The world witnessed this barbaric attack by Pakistani jihadi goons, killing innocent unarmed civilians and keeping them hostages for 60 hours, torturing them and killing them. The world was aware that they came from Pakistan because the lone captured terrorist Ajmal Kasav had confessed everything. The interview and confession of Ajmal Kasav’s father that the captured terrorist is indeed his son on GEO TV backed up India’s support of the captured terrorist Ajmal Kasav to be a Pakistani national. Inspite of such a concrete proof, the Pakistanis always denied its role and also denied Ajmal Kasav to be a Pakistani. It took nearly 2 months that Pakistan accepted Ajmal to be a Pakistani citizen. Why the hell did it took so long for a Pakistani Government just to admit that Pakistanis were involved and the conspiracy was framed from Paki soil? Why? It was Pakistans this attitude that had angered the Indians.

Shortly after 26/11 attacks, the Indian government had warned all the Pakistani artists in India to leave the country as staying here now may not be safe for them looking at the current situation. All the Pakistani artists had left except Shakeel. Why didn’t Shakeel leave this country inspite of warnings given to him by Indian Govt.? Why the hell did he stay here? It was his this attitude that some political party MNS took advantage and smashed the studio, beating Shakeel, eventually he had to rush to the airport. Yes, I agree that it was not the duty of any political goon party to take the law in it’s hand. It was the duty of government. The situation could have been handled in a good way. But as I said, India is a country for people. The people here can ELECT the Government and people here can KICK the government. Not like Pakistan government and their army, who always takes its citizen for granted and takes them for a ride. Same way this MNS will be eradicated by the people for its barbaric behaviour.

You have tremendous sympathy for Shakeel just because he was a Pakistani and just because he was beaten by Indians. But you do not have any respect and sympathy for 179 innocent unarmed lives that these 10 Pakistani jihadi goons killed by their barbaric inhuman acts. Weren’t these 179 people innocent and unarmed? These people were killed in our city, right in front of our eyes. Just seeing your pakistani citizen hurt by Indians can make your blood boil, so imagine how we must have felt when we saw our citizens brutally killed by pakistanis. Atleast Shakeel was not killed by Indians by AK-47 in the name of RELIGION. Atleast he was not made hostage and tortured in the name of RELIGION. You and Shakeel must be lucky enough that they are still alive and Indians did not behaved like the way those 10 Pakistani behaved. Shakeel himself is accountable for his negligence of not leaving India inspite of notice by Indian Govt. Now did you get my point Mr.Fahim?

Your claim of RAW’s presence in Afghanistan, training the fighters and sending them to Pakistan to fight. Tell me friend, what will India gain in sending their fighters to Pakistan? What makes Pakistan superior to India? What is it that Pakistan has, which India is envy of? Moreover, why aren’t Pakistanis still not able to capture a single RAW agent till date? Are these RAW agents like James Bond, who can spy and can get away easily? Even if you have captured any RAW agent, why ain’t it has been shown and exposed to media in Pakistan and on international level? OK, now take it in this way, Talibans were created and trained as fighters by Pakistan on the orders of USA to combat Russians. At that time, these Taliban were FREEDOM FIGHTERS for Pakistan. Now that have entered your house and have become threat for you, you are now calling them terrorist. So even if RAW is providing training in Afghanistan, why does it bothers pakistan. RAW is doing what Pakistan did before. Does Pakistan and only Pakistan has the universal right to create terrorists and label them as Freedom Fighters. And also label them as terrorists as and when it suits them. You call LTTE the Terrorists and Kashmiri Terrorist FREEDOM FIGHTERS. Just like you used to call Taliban, the Freedom Fighters and now the terrorists. OR is it that you want India must also apply Pakistans policy of “SHOW US THE ROCK HARD PROOF OF ANY RAW’S PRESENCE ON YOUR SOIL?” and if Pakistan gives the proof, India should slam them as “NOT ENOUGH CREDIBLE EVIDENCE”

Regarding Indian Cricket Board prohibiting Sri Lankans to play in Sri Lanka, let me just tell you that Sri Lanka cricket team is not school going children that they have be cautioned of where, when and how to play. It is their country’s and boards decision about their venues? And Yes, BCCI is the financer of ICC and it has a very strong hold in ICC. Let Sri Lanka play on moon, it is not our concern.

I guess, you did not read my earlier response thoroughly. I had stated before itself that I have no intentions of poking my head in your country’s internal affairs. I have many other important work to do. But I am saying it again that whenever and wherever, my country’s name is taken and whoever tries to destroy her image, I will stand by my country for her defence. If you really want me to quit in commenting, then could you stop those anti-Indian writers in spreading false propaganda against India? Stop those writers in peeping in Indian territory. Make them understand that it is better to fix up our own messed up house. I am telling you again, surf the entire Pak Spectator website and you will find that 70% of the website is anti-Indian and with false accusations. Can you do that dude? If you can do this, I promise you that I will never ever visit and comment on Pakistan and its internal affairs. Same way, I was frustrated to see that all the Pakistanis have time to write anti-India articles and point out its internal problem, but they do not have time to write anything done unjust on their own soil. I was specially referring to Peeper Isha Khan and Munna bhai MBBS Dr.Raza Haider.

Now coming on to Kashmir issue : Tell me Fahim, what has Pakistan given to the people of PoK? Poverty, unemployment, trained them to be jihadi, gave them guns, taught them to kill innocent people, made them suidice bombers etc etc etc. What has Pakistan given to your part of Kashmir? Tell me. And what will Pakistan give to Indian part of Kashmir once it gets Jammu Kashmir from India? Same thing which it had given to PoK. Guns and terrorism. Will this make Kashmiri people’s life better as a good human being? And why is that Indian part of Kashmir is much popular than Pakistan’s Kashmir? The tourist keep flocking in Kashmir in Indian part and tourism industry used to boom a few years ago and is still there. It’s because India and Indian states, including Jammu & Kashmir are safe. Tourist would certainly not want to explore nature in PoK, the so called terrorism zone. Even though geographical & climatic conditions are very similar in Indian Kashmir and PoK, you would find tourism booming only in Indian part of Kashmir. Pakistan doesn’t wants democratic elections to be carried out safely and people elect their government in Kashmir. Because if this happens, it is assumed that people have started to show interest in democracy, that the people are enjoying the benefits of democracy, the continous period of democracy if adapted by the people, it will also be assumed that Kashmiri’s have accepted the system and will not likely to change it. This will create a set back for Pakistan. Their fake agenda of atrocities on Kashmiri people will not be heard and will not be given importance even by Kashmiri people in India. Believe me, if you really care for the people of Kashmir of India, leave them on their own. See, they will become prosperous within few years. This may envy Pakistan whose interest is not for the well being of their people but rather, their interest in grabbing their land. Pakistan always highlights about killing and rape done by Indian Army in Kashmir, which might be true to some extent but not to the vast extent about the rape and killing done by Pakistani Army in East Pakistan in 1971 which brutally killed 30,00,000 Bangladeshi. You may deny this. So do you want me quote the reliable reference in support of my claim? So stop blaming Indian Army of what it is doing in Kashmir, first look at what Pakistan has done to your, once, own land Bangladesh a few decades ago.

Fahim, I have no personal grudge against Pakistan or Pakistani people. I am and I was just providing you the substance for the sake of argument. It really felt good that you admit on some part and also you reason on some part. This approach of reasoning, will ultimately help us to remove some of our misunderstanding and ultimately help the relationship of both the countries little sweet rather than total sour.

I like reading comments of Arias, Nazia, Johann, Adi, Aftab Alam, Mohammed Ali Sajjad. Though they all have different point of view on different topic and some of them are very opposite on several ssubject, but do not sound stupid. Not at all.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Regards
Prem

Infact, our first duty is to eliminate the internal problems of our nation but our govt. officials are busy in playing part internationally. Actually it is the location of Pakistan which compels it to be a major player on international pitch. The geopolitical importance of pakistan is not only apparent to Muslim world but also to USA, China and Russia etc.

As far as India is concerned it is our Defence services which are brainwashing masses against india.
However, the story is more formidable on indian side and they are more anti-pakistan and become so emotional when it comes to pakistan related matters. You beated comedy artist Shakeel, why? Also, there are reports which say that there are several camps of Raw working in Afganistan whose job is to train and send fighters to Pakistan. ok.. why indian cricket board tried to prohibit Sri Lankans to play in Pakistan? Your statement that Pakistani sunnis do not have sympathies etc with shias is totally false. Here, shias and sunnis are living peacefully except some location.

If you are of the view that Pakistan should try to solve its internal affairs before moving to international scene; i want to ask what makes you to have so much sympathy with Shias and why are you are trying to develop such poisonious attitude among Pakistanis ; its our own affair and we have to deal with it…(dont mind).

Lets come to another side of story: According to latest news Kashmir dispute was going to solve in 2007 but the story did not come to action, why? Because if Kashmir dispute gets solved how army will fetch such huge funds from Pakistan Govt.. As far as Pakistani people are concerned they do not like uniformed men or civilian govt. due to their disinterested behavior in solving local disputes and problems. As reason, there are diff quotes listened and read on different occasions i.e from politicians, from columnist and media persons, and from commoners etc. Some say the whole situation is created by ISI, some call it satanism of RAW, Mousad and foreign agencies etc..

The roots of such sectarian and racial (as in Balochistan, Karachi) terrorism comes from Zia’s atrocious rule who adopted a policy to curb political parties and created ISI-cum-military sponsored religious parties which are now the main cause of sectarian voilance and religious hatred. Besides the weapons gifted by USA for Jihadi (now terrorists) meant for curbing USSR forces from Afganistan were sold by traitors, the greedy Generals to the tribal population of Balochistan and Tribal Belt.

In short, God knows better. Our judiciary system has turned totally sick. Illegal courts can not do justice. The present judiciary obeys what money, guns and power want. The situation is apparent; see news of pakistan.

In the last, pakistanis especially the people of Dera Ismail Khan are not satisfied from their govt and their representativs sitting in the assemblies.

ok. the representatives of Dera who won by democratic tactics are now enjoying life comfortably. All are busy in grabbing funds and leg-pulling of their opponents through various ways ranging from blocking funds to treating with contempt etc. The elected members from Dera consists of sunni, shia, pakhtoons and PPP-badged moderate muslims.

Due to recent success of some religious figures the tension has increased and terorists have been given free hand. Fearing their demands rejected and secrets unveiled most of the MPA’s and MNA’s unified despite the enmities and after several efforts including false propaganda succeeded in removing an honest district Police Head. The very Police Head yearned to curb terror elements on his posting and during his farewell meeting at Dera openly accused the leaders hailing from Dera district for such unrest in the city.

What i said is what most of people here are thinking and saying but afraid to speak or write openely, atleast in the form of comments.

Thank you,

Nazia, you are absolutely correct in revealing the facts and true picture behind the miserable condition of DI Khan. But I wonder, like you, how many Pakistanis have bothered, at least, to think on the resolution of this issue? 95% of the Pakistanis close their eyes when they are confronted with this truth about DI Khan atrocities. In this Pak Spectator website, several anti-Indian articles have been written about India and its internal affairs. Why don’t Pakistanis look inside their own messed up house instead of peeping in India and its affairs? I was shocked to read when an author also wrote that RAW is training Taliban. I really don’t understand what is wrong with Pakistani people. Do they really want the solution of their problems or their aim is just to spread anti-india propaganda? They must understand that this will not resolve Pakistan’s problem, infact will create more problems for themselves. Today, the world is looking at Pakistan with suspicious eyes. Why?

Yesterday I read the news when Pakistan’s FM Qureshi met Richard Holbrooke during his current visit to US, said that they have evidence of RAW’s presence in their region. Mr.Holbrooke advised Mr.Qureshi and Pakistan to come out of India-phobia as India was never a threat to Pakistan. If India were to attack Pakistan, she would have attacked immediately after 26/11 Mumbai Terror strike. But India never did so. Acts like Mumbai Terror were sufficient for any nation to take any harsh steps against its attackers. Even in such a tensed situation, India remained patient and acted like a responsible democratic nation. India opted for diplomatic strategy instead of military war strikes. This shows the maturity of India as a democratic nation in real terms. Here, the Government listens to the people. Why cannot such things happen in Pakistan?

In this global financial crisis, do you like seeing your ministers rushing to IMF and China for financial aid? Does it look good for any nation to literally beg? I am not saying, India is the best and Pakistan is bad. The status of India is far better, in terms of economic and progress as compared to Pakistan. India too has internal problems. There’s poverty, illeteracy, religious conflict etc. But we do not hide anything. We openly say Yes, we have some problems and will resolve them by joint discussions and committee of the people and we do not indulge any third part in internal resolution. India has 1.15 billion populations with people of all religion like hindus, muslims, christian, sikhs, parsis etc reside. Even with such a huge population and with people of so many faith’s, Indian has managed to keep its vast region in peace. India is going smooth and strong. There were some religious conflicts in the past but we have learned lessons of not to fight with each other in the name of religion. Where as in Islamic Republic of Pakistan in which there is only one major religion islam, why does your government fails to handle the situation. As far as I know and as far as I have learned, Pakistan has tremendous potential to become at least a moderate happy nation. But unfortunately, the foundation of Pakistan was created on religious ground. DI Khan is a perfect example.

You may think that what am doing in a Pakistani website. I, as an Indian, never like to pin-point your nation and its internal affairs. I have no intentions of visiting any Pakistani website. But whenever my nation’s name is taken and anyone tries to sabotage its image, I have to be there for defence.

Whatever I have written above to you about Pakistan and India, doesn’t intends to hurt you or your nation. I said it because I can only see you as sane person in the entire Pakistan, who understands and is willing to admit that Pakistan is facing a major problem, who is ready to look in her own house first before claiming others house as messed up. I would not have written this to Dr. Raza Haider or Isha Khan because they don’t understand the logical facts and they cannot digest the truth. They are brain dead people born in an egg, fed with anti-India materials and who are born just to bash India and create anti-India atmosphere.

I wish my neighbor Pakistan were full of people like you. I congratulate Prof.Mansoor Akbar Kundi for writing this article and creating awareness about Dera Ismail Khan. I was expecting a response from Isha Khan on DI Khan but I guess he must be busy peeing in Indian territory (just joking….)

With warm wishes

“”"”"”"”"‘Sunni Pakis have no sympathy and respect for shia community in Pakistan. On the contrary they keep peeping in Indian territory and pointing fingers about the atrocities done on Indian muslims”"”"”"”"

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

Out of 4 COMMENTS HERE.

3 by INDIANS.

http://dnewspk.blogspot.com/

Also, instead of sympathies with the grieved families a sense of hatred is being developed between the rival sects due to accelerating sense of rage on the victims’ side.

The thing which lacks in the very article is the commentary/analysis on Dera’s future and the suggested roadmap to be followed, if any.

All in all, i am glad to see someone caring for DIKhan on TPS.

Thanks,

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers31%5Cpaper3060.html

I feel, for the fist time a Pakistani has written an article in this forum on Dera Ismail Khan and the recent bomb blast whcih killed several people. I am afraid, no pakistani has time and energy to write some thing on DI Khan issue. You can see that there are no comments below. You Know why? Because the ones killed in bomb blasts in DI Khan were shias. Sunni Pakis have no sympathy and respect for shia community in Pakistan. On the contrary they keep peeping in Indian territory and pointing fingers about the atrocities done on Indian muslims.

There is a guy/girl ISHA KHAN in this forum. She keeps peeping in India and keeps writing anti-India articles. I once, asked her what are her opinions on DI Khan’s recent bomb blasts. She never replied. She cannot write anything on this because she wants to hide the injustice done in Pakistanis to Shias and other non-muslim communities.