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		<title>By: Yaqoob Malik,,,,</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaqoob Malik,,,,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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Farid Masood Says: June 14th, 2008 "Aftab S. Alam Militancy is the path of thinking that one minds it that he is doing/saying the right thing and others are wrong and he posseses and acts in this line by choosing the right or wrong path to justify his/her thoughts.
Militant groups are funded and suported by the outsiders enemy of Pakistan, can we say every dictator is militant in his thoughts and acts?"

Farid Sahib, the first paragraph of your comment is little difficult to interpret, due to its vagueness, and therefore any answer.

Lets leave the "dictator" and the other with dictatorial inclinations out of this discussion for once.

Militancy is basically a willingness to fight and it becomes even more dangerous when you attach a casue to it. Now, you and I both know, and know it very well that we as a nation are raised with this concept of "fight" and "die" for X or Y cause. Since we have this "product" available in abundance for anyone to exploit it in the name of fighting one "evil" or the other. Since, we are so flexible in our concept of "evil" as well that makes the job even easier; unfortunately for us anyone outside my personal standard, whatever it happens to be, is "evil".  

Now, question, what is the solution? The way I understand it, I must learn to live my life in a way that it does not cause any harms to the society and so should you. This must be the guideline for everyone in any, especially our, society including the politician and the mullahs. And only those of us should want and be in public life who are seriously and sincerely interested in PUBLIC SERVICE and not RULE or worse to MISRULE.

I hope that this has not angered you too much. 

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Farid Masood Says: June 14th, 2008 &#8220;Aftab S. Alam Militancy is the path of thinking that one minds it that he is doing/saying the right thing and others are wrong and he posseses and acts in this line by choosing the right or wrong path to justify his/her thoughts.<br />
Militant groups are funded and suported by the outsiders enemy of Pakistan, can we say every dictator is militant in his thoughts and acts?&#8221;</p>
<p>Farid Sahib, the first paragraph of your comment is little difficult to interpret, due to its vagueness, and therefore any answer.</p>
<p>Lets leave the &#8220;dictator&#8221; and the other with dictatorial inclinations out of this discussion for once.</p>
<p>Militancy is basically a willingness to fight and it becomes even more dangerous when you attach a casue to it. Now, you and I both know, and know it very well that we as a nation are raised with this concept of &#8220;fight&#8221; and &#8220;die&#8221; for X or Y cause. Since we have this &#8220;product&#8221; available in abundance for anyone to exploit it in the name of fighting one &#8220;evil&#8221; or the other. Since, we are so flexible in our concept of &#8220;evil&#8221; as well that makes the job even easier; unfortunately for us anyone outside my personal standard, whatever it happens to be, is &#8220;evil&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Now, question, what is the solution? The way I understand it, I must learn to live my life in a way that it does not cause any harms to the society and so should you. This must be the guideline for everyone in any, especially our, society including the politician and the mullahs. And only those of us should want and be in public life who are seriously and sincerely interested in PUBLIC SERVICE and not RULE or worse to MISRULE.</p>
<p>I hope that this has not angered you too much. </p>
<p>Nice evening!</p>
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		<title>By: Saleem Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saleem Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Saleem Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saleem Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its first time that in long marches and these kind of events…ladies, old citizen, children even participated. Its first time in history that Islamabad people participated in it and welcomed other city people with open heart. They offered food, water as per their budget. Its first time that families living in Sectors like F6, F7, E7, I8, F10 came out of their homes to support this Long March. InsAllah change is coming soon. Inshallah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its first time that in long marches and these kind of events…ladies, old citizen, children even participated. Its first time in history that Islamabad people participated in it and welcomed other city people with open heart. They offered food, water as per their budget. Its first time that families living in Sectors like F6, F7, E7, I8, F10 came out of their homes to support this Long March. InsAllah change is coming soon. Inshallah.</p>
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		<title>By: Saleem Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saleem Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flood of lawyers, political activists pummels capital:

A political tsunami pummelled the capital on Friday as hundreds of thousands of charged lawyers and slogan-chanting political activists poured into Islamabad to pile pressure on a foot-dragging parliament to reinstate judges sacked by President Pervez Musharraf when he imposed emergency rule in November last year.

Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, whose faction of the Pakistan Muslim League quit cabinet posts in May, told journalists upon arriving in Islamabad that Pakistan was incomplete without the judges who were put out of work by the president when he enforced the controversial Provisional Constitution Order.

“Let me tell you that the reinstatement of judges is very near,” he said.

While there was no official word if President Musharraf was in the capital, two flags flew over the presidency, indicating that the occupant of the house --- within a stone’s throw of the demonstration’s venue --- was indeed in Islamabad.

However, Asif Ali Zardari, co-chairman of the Pakistan People’s Party, chose to be in Karachi, where he gave a pep talk to union activists of the Pakistan Steel Mills who recently romped to victory in a referendum.

Athar Minallah, a spokesman for Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, told Dawn that the deposed chief justice of the Supreme Court would not address the marchers because they comprised members of the legal fraternity as well as red-hot, flag-waving political activists. A large number of members of civil society, including students of Jamia Fareedia, family members of victims of ‘enforced disappearances’, ex-servicemen and retired bureaucrats, were in evidence.

Reception camps were established in Rawalpindi and Islamabad to welcome the demonstrators of the long march protest, some of whom reportedly refused to break bread at a PPP camp.

Elaborate security arrangements were in place and the entire Constitution Avenue, which had been declared a ‘red zone’ on Thursday, was sealed so that the Parliament House, President House, Supreme Court building and other main buildings remained off-limits to the marchers.

The local administration in Rawalpindi stayed its hand when it took no action against some of the marchers who strayed into the cantonment area. On their part, the demonstrators withstood the temptation of marching on to the Army House.

Heavy contingents of Rangers and Punjab police were deployed at different places in the capital to assist the local police to prevent an eminently possible breakdown of law and order. A helicopter flew over the main venue of the demonstration.

Earlier, president of the Supreme Court Bar Association Aitzaz Ahsan and former vice-chairman of the Pakistan Bar Council Ali Ahmed Kurd led the marchers into Rawalpindi. They were accorded a rousing welcome.

While their convoy entered the cantonment city at around 1pm, they had not come to the main demonstration venue in Islamabad till the filing of this report. A large number of lawyers came all the way from the NWFP to participate in the long march.

The political leaders who took part in the rallies included PML-N leaders Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, Chaudhry Tanveer Khan, Jamaat-i-Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Liaquat Baloch and Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf chief Imran Khan.

Cross-country caravans consisting of hundreds of slow-moving buses, mini-wagons, cars, jeeps, trucks streamed into the capital as a large number of demonstrators came on foot. They were encouraged by bystanders who enthusiastically chanted pro-judiciary slogans.

Posters bearing the images of the deposed chief justice and Aitzaz Ahsan and banners inscribed with anti-Musharraf slogans greeted the demonstrators as they entered Rawalpindi and Islamabad.

In a curious development, many PPP activists and members of the People’s Lawyers Forum also took part in the demonstration. Dr Israr Shah, who lost his legs to a bomb attack on a rally held to welcome the deposed chief justice on July 17, 2007, also spoke at the demonstration on Friday night.

Imran Khan of the PTI urged PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif to table a resolution in the National Assembly to reinstate the pre-emergency judiciary if the PPP was in a dither about fulfilling its pre-election promises. His suggestion was greeted with a sharp rise in slogan chanting.

Lawyers from across Pakistan commenced their long march simultaneously from Karachi and Quetta and, after making several stopovers in Sukkur, Multan, Bahawalpur, Sahiwal, Gujrat, Wazirabad, Lahore, Jhelum and Rawalpindi, converged on Islamabad’s Parade Avenue in a forceful show of strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flood of lawyers, political activists pummels capital:</p>
<p>A political tsunami pummelled the capital on Friday as hundreds of thousands of charged lawyers and slogan-chanting political activists poured into Islamabad to pile pressure on a foot-dragging parliament to reinstate judges sacked by President Pervez Musharraf when he imposed emergency rule in November last year.</p>
<p>Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, whose faction of the Pakistan Muslim League quit cabinet posts in May, told journalists upon arriving in Islamabad that Pakistan was incomplete without the judges who were put out of work by the president when he enforced the controversial Provisional Constitution Order.</p>
<p>“Let me tell you that the reinstatement of judges is very near,” he said.</p>
<p>While there was no official word if President Musharraf was in the capital, two flags flew over the presidency, indicating that the occupant of the house &#8212; within a stone’s throw of the demonstration’s venue &#8212; was indeed in Islamabad.</p>
<p>However, Asif Ali Zardari, co-chairman of the Pakistan People’s Party, chose to be in Karachi, where he gave a pep talk to union activists of the Pakistan Steel Mills who recently romped to victory in a referendum.</p>
<p>Athar Minallah, a spokesman for Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, told Dawn that the deposed chief justice of the Supreme Court would not address the marchers because they comprised members of the legal fraternity as well as red-hot, flag-waving political activists. A large number of members of civil society, including students of Jamia Fareedia, family members of victims of ‘enforced disappearances’, ex-servicemen and retired bureaucrats, were in evidence.</p>
<p>Reception camps were established in Rawalpindi and Islamabad to welcome the demonstrators of the long march protest, some of whom reportedly refused to break bread at a PPP camp.</p>
<p>Elaborate security arrangements were in place and the entire Constitution Avenue, which had been declared a ‘red zone’ on Thursday, was sealed so that the Parliament House, President House, Supreme Court building and other main buildings remained off-limits to the marchers.</p>
<p>The local administration in Rawalpindi stayed its hand when it took no action against some of the marchers who strayed into the cantonment area. On their part, the demonstrators withstood the temptation of marching on to the Army House.</p>
<p>Heavy contingents of Rangers and Punjab police were deployed at different places in the capital to assist the local police to prevent an eminently possible breakdown of law and order. A helicopter flew over the main venue of the demonstration.</p>
<p>Earlier, president of the Supreme Court Bar Association Aitzaz Ahsan and former vice-chairman of the Pakistan Bar Council Ali Ahmed Kurd led the marchers into Rawalpindi. They were accorded a rousing welcome.</p>
<p>While their convoy entered the cantonment city at around 1pm, they had not come to the main demonstration venue in Islamabad till the filing of this report. A large number of lawyers came all the way from the NWFP to participate in the long march.</p>
<p>The political leaders who took part in the rallies included PML-N leaders Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, Chaudhry Tanveer Khan, Jamaat-i-Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Liaquat Baloch and Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf chief Imran Khan.</p>
<p>Cross-country caravans consisting of hundreds of slow-moving buses, mini-wagons, cars, jeeps, trucks streamed into the capital as a large number of demonstrators came on foot. They were encouraged by bystanders who enthusiastically chanted pro-judiciary slogans.</p>
<p>Posters bearing the images of the deposed chief justice and Aitzaz Ahsan and banners inscribed with anti-Musharraf slogans greeted the demonstrators as they entered Rawalpindi and Islamabad.</p>
<p>In a curious development, many PPP activists and members of the People’s Lawyers Forum also took part in the demonstration. Dr Israr Shah, who lost his legs to a bomb attack on a rally held to welcome the deposed chief justice on July 17, 2007, also spoke at the demonstration on Friday night.</p>
<p>Imran Khan of the PTI urged PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif to table a resolution in the National Assembly to reinstate the pre-emergency judiciary if the PPP was in a dither about fulfilling its pre-election promises. His suggestion was greeted with a sharp rise in slogan chanting.</p>
<p>Lawyers from across Pakistan commenced their long march simultaneously from Karachi and Quetta and, after making several stopovers in Sukkur, Multan, Bahawalpur, Sahiwal, Gujrat, Wazirabad, Lahore, Jhelum and Rawalpindi, converged on Islamabad’s Parade Avenue in a forceful show of strength.</p>
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		<title>By: Saleem Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saleem Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aashique of Musharraf Says:
June 12th, 2008

LONG MARCH HAS BEEN PROVED A FAILURE.
GEO TV REPORT AT 9 O’CLOCK 12/06/2008


Where are you now... come and comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aashique of Musharraf Says:<br />
June 12th, 2008</p>
<p>LONG MARCH HAS BEEN PROVED A FAILURE.<br />
GEO TV REPORT AT 9 O’CLOCK 12/06/2008</p>
<p>Where are you now&#8230; come and comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Farid Masood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farid Masood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aftab S. Alam

Militancy is the path of thinking that one minds it that he is doing/saying the right thing and others are wrong and he posseses and acts in this line by choosing the right or wrong path to justify his/her thoughts.

Militant groups are funded and suported by the outsiders enemy of Pakistan, can we say every dictator is militant in his thoughts and acts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aftab S. Alam</p>
<p>Militancy is the path of thinking that one minds it that he is doing/saying the right thing and others are wrong and he posseses and acts in this line by choosing the right or wrong path to justify his/her thoughts.</p>
<p>Militant groups are funded and suported by the outsiders enemy of Pakistan, can we say every dictator is militant in his thoughts and acts?</p>
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		<title>By: Farid Masood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farid Masood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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Geo may have telling lies to the nation, but less than your mashuque</description>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pkhope.com/caravans-of-thundering-lawyers-converging/comment-page-2/#comment-36334</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Waqas, I kind’ a enjoyed reading your comments about me. Thanks for being so candid. What I found most interesting is your admission that you’ve been reading me for last 3 months (or shall we say, suffering me) I am impressed by your power of endurance. Believe me this is the greatest pleasure for me or for that matter anyone, who writes, when someone says I disagree with you or perhaps even hate you but I read you. You will agree that I am entitled to perceive reality as I see it like you have your perception about my perception. After all we all have our perception of our world which remains hypothetical till proved wrong or right and it is formed by the combination of previous information that we acquire from environment and our  past experiences.
Now, about the points which disturbed you and you have raised. Wait, listen I am not someone who needs blood and mayhem to be able to get a good night sleep. I am all for forgiveness and compassion for those of us who err. But this does not mean that I do not get upset when I witness brutalization, disfigurement, and mutilation of truth and when we are expected to accept its decomposed remains. 
I say what I say because I have followed the events keenly and consciously and I have not let myself be manipulated by ugly insinuations and salacious bits of gossips. I detest the media’s ruthless contamination of truth and its onslaught of manufactured disinformation. To agree or disagree with me is a matter of your own sense of truth and its appreciation. I have put hereunder the extractions from Editorials of various newspapers of repute and what they had to say about that place the “Lal Masjid” and the “Hafsa Complex”. They wrote this at the time of the episode taking place. You can read the whole material if you desire. You can find substantial News Clips of the same media of that time (Google – Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi – Lal Masjid) and you can actually see live interviews of this man. 

“NO one has done more to defame the system of religious instruction in Pakistan and strengthen the anti-madressah lobby in the world than the two Lal Masjid brothers…………. The excesses committed by brothers Abdul Aziz and Abdul Rasheed Ghazi have helped the anti-madressah lobby in the West malign Pakistan. Such is their record of blackmailing, kidnapping and hostage-taking that even the religious parties and most madressahs have refused to show any sympathy for them. The world at large does not care whether or not the Lal Masjid brigade was isolated from the religious parties and groups in Pakistan; what the millions the world over have seen on the TV screen is a madressah in action. The two brothers will no doubt be tried and handed out justice, but there is no doubt that they have done incalculable harm not only to all madressahs but also to Pakistan and Islam itself. The lesson the government must learn is that no other madressah or a nucleus of that type should again be allowed to grow to a point where it can flaunt its power, gather a militia, turn a mosque into a fortress, use religion as licence to defy the government and the state and threaten the established order.” (Editorial, DAWN, July 07, 2007 – Image and reality).

“………First the chiefs of the Lal Masjid rebellion: in what way have the brothers Rasheed and Ghazi advanced the cause of Islam which was supposed to be the aim behind the ‘government’ and the ‘court’ they had set up in the sacred precincts of the mosque? Does Islam approve of crime — raids on homes, kidnapping, attacks on shops and defiance of the law of the land — to enforce Sharia? Did the raid by girl commandos on the home of a woman of presumed ill repute abolish prostitution throughout the country? Is asking young boys and girls to take the law into their own hands the best way of teaching them Islam and making them good Muslims? Did not the Holy Prophet (PBUH) say that the best Muslim was one from whose hands and tongues other Muslims were safe? Did the self-deluded clerics of the Lal Masjid conform to this Hadith? Did it not occur to them that no government — Islamic or otherwise, democratic or dictatorial, civilian or military — would tolerate the defiance of its writ for long and that sooner or later the government was bound to act………….. But one thing is clear: the government must not offer more talks. Such a move will be misunderstood and encourage the misguided clerics. The Lal Masjid brothers are guilty of blackmail, murder, vandalism, trespass and kidnapping. If they surrender or are captured alive, they must be given the benefit of a fair trial in an open court……… Regrettably, the government found itself isolated because neither the MMA leadership nor the secular parties categorically condemned the Lal Masjid brigade. It is now for the Pakistani people to decide whether they want the kind of Islam that Iqbal and Jinnah stood for or the intolerant, obscurantist brand being preached and practised by bigoted semi-literates.” (Editorial, DAWN July 05, 2007 – An end at last?).

“…………..This highlights two facts — one, the militants were well indoctrinated and as trained guerillas knew how to take on a professional army; two, they had ample stocks of arms and ammunition, which obviously they had not hoarded in a day or two. The militants were finally overpowered by the use of superior fire power, but they never ran out of ammunition………” (DAWN, Editorial July 07, 207 – Image and reality).

“………….The president says that an operation against these brigands can be launched but that would lead to casualties on both sides. But wouldn't the same happen in the operation that he is widely believed poised to launch in the tribal belt and parts of NWFP to flush out militants and fanatics? Won't innocent people, including women and children, perish in collateral damage in that operation? And will the Jaish and al-Qaeda militants and suicide bombers holed up in the mosque and its seminaries turn saints if left alone? Won't they be instead sharpening their fangs to become more poisonous and more lethal? And won't they be widening their links outside with the fanatics, and not snap them? Isn't malignancy knifed off to prevent it from growing into bigger malignancy? Didn't the Saudi army break into the holiest of the Muslim holy places, the Haram Sharif of Makkah, with tanks and guns to liberate it from the occupation of a bevy of apostates to stamp out their apostasy in the bud?” (The Frontier Post, Editorial July 02, 2007 - Tackling a malignancy)

“The fact is that Lal Masjid was feeding ideologically into the anarchic order of Talibanisation in the Frontier and Tribal Areas. Eighty percent of the acolytes in its residential seminaries were from FATA and from the provincially administered tribal region of Malakand, Swat and Dir. Messrs Ghazi and Aziz regularly applauded the “state within the state” of the “FM radio mullah” Fazlullah of Malakand enjoying direct connections with Al Qaeda. No one paid heed to this. No one registered the trend of increased Al Qaeda “appearances” in the country. Over the last six months, many Al Qaeda terrorists were caught in the country and Lal Masjid remained an ally of Al Qaeda. Significantly, the “free media” knew about it but didn’t take it to task!..................... Let us be clear. No government can violate the universal principle of “no negotiation with terrorists” and live to be praised. This time around, the “free media” didn’t play its cards fairly. It was allowed to carry on its own “negotiations” with the terrorists, tacitly bending public opinion in favour of “safe passage” — one FM radio in Lahore actually recommended it — and was not able to comment objectively on the vested interest of the Wifaq clerics negotiating with the ulterior motive of grabbing the madrassa property in a city already home to 88 seminaries bristling with rejectionism.” (Daily Time, Editorial July 11, 2007 – Lessons of Lal Masjid).

“……….Already, religious leaders have begun confusing the issue by calling it a grand conspiracy against Pakistan and Islam, with some accusing the government of resorting to the same extremism as the mosque. This view is wrong and the government would do well to ignore it………. There are times when governments have to take unsavoury decisions in the larger interest of the nation-state. In 1979, the Saudi government had to take just such a decision when some extremist elements took over the Ka’aba. In 1984, the Indian government decided to storm the Golden Temple because such an action, despite the dangers inherent in doing so, had become inevitable and absolutely necessary. The government in Islamabad too cannot avoid taking the difficult decision now…………” (Daily Time, Editorial July 04, 2007 - Government must enforce order).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Waqas, I kind’ a enjoyed reading your comments about me. Thanks for being so candid. What I found most interesting is your admission that you’ve been reading me for last 3 months (or shall we say, suffering me) I am impressed by your power of endurance. Believe me this is the greatest pleasure for me or for that matter anyone, who writes, when someone says I disagree with you or perhaps even hate you but I read you. You will agree that I am entitled to perceive reality as I see it like you have your perception about my perception. After all we all have our perception of our world which remains hypothetical till proved wrong or right and it is formed by the combination of previous information that we acquire from environment and our  past experiences.<br />
Now, about the points which disturbed you and you have raised. Wait, listen I am not someone who needs blood and mayhem to be able to get a good night sleep. I am all for forgiveness and compassion for those of us who err. But this does not mean that I do not get upset when I witness brutalization, disfigurement, and mutilation of truth and when we are expected to accept its decomposed remains.<br />
I say what I say because I have followed the events keenly and consciously and I have not let myself be manipulated by ugly insinuations and salacious bits of gossips. I detest the media’s ruthless contamination of truth and its onslaught of manufactured disinformation. To agree or disagree with me is a matter of your own sense of truth and its appreciation. I have put hereunder the extractions from Editorials of various newspapers of repute and what they had to say about that place the “Lal Masjid” and the “Hafsa Complex”. They wrote this at the time of the episode taking place. You can read the whole material if you desire. You can find substantial News Clips of the same media of that time (Google – Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi – Lal Masjid) and you can actually see live interviews of this man. </p>
<p>“NO one has done more to defame the system of religious instruction in Pakistan and strengthen the anti-madressah lobby in the world than the two Lal Masjid brothers…………. The excesses committed by brothers Abdul Aziz and Abdul Rasheed Ghazi have helped the anti-madressah lobby in the West malign Pakistan. Such is their record of blackmailing, kidnapping and hostage-taking that even the religious parties and most madressahs have refused to show any sympathy for them. The world at large does not care whether or not the Lal Masjid brigade was isolated from the religious parties and groups in Pakistan; what the millions the world over have seen on the TV screen is a madressah in action. The two brothers will no doubt be tried and handed out justice, but there is no doubt that they have done incalculable harm not only to all madressahs but also to Pakistan and Islam itself. The lesson the government must learn is that no other madressah or a nucleus of that type should again be allowed to grow to a point where it can flaunt its power, gather a militia, turn a mosque into a fortress, use religion as licence to defy the government and the state and threaten the established order.” (Editorial, DAWN, July 07, 2007 – Image and reality).</p>
<p>“………First the chiefs of the Lal Masjid rebellion: in what way have the brothers Rasheed and Ghazi advanced the cause of Islam which was supposed to be the aim behind the ‘government’ and the ‘court’ they had set up in the sacred precincts of the mosque? Does Islam approve of crime — raids on homes, kidnapping, attacks on shops and defiance of the law of the land — to enforce Sharia? Did the raid by girl commandos on the home of a woman of presumed ill repute abolish prostitution throughout the country? Is asking young boys and girls to take the law into their own hands the best way of teaching them Islam and making them good Muslims? Did not the Holy Prophet (PBUH) say that the best Muslim was one from whose hands and tongues other Muslims were safe? Did the self-deluded clerics of the Lal Masjid conform to this Hadith? Did it not occur to them that no government — Islamic or otherwise, democratic or dictatorial, civilian or military — would tolerate the defiance of its writ for long and that sooner or later the government was bound to act………….. But one thing is clear: the government must not offer more talks. Such a move will be misunderstood and encourage the misguided clerics. The Lal Masjid brothers are guilty of blackmail, murder, vandalism, trespass and kidnapping. If they surrender or are captured alive, they must be given the benefit of a fair trial in an open court……… Regrettably, the government found itself isolated because neither the MMA leadership nor the secular parties categorically condemned the Lal Masjid brigade. It is now for the Pakistani people to decide whether they want the kind of Islam that Iqbal and Jinnah stood for or the intolerant, obscurantist brand being preached and practised by bigoted semi-literates.” (Editorial, DAWN July 05, 2007 – An end at last?).</p>
<p>“…………..This highlights two facts — one, the militants were well indoctrinated and as trained guerillas knew how to take on a professional army; two, they had ample stocks of arms and ammunition, which obviously they had not hoarded in a day or two. The militants were finally overpowered by the use of superior fire power, but they never ran out of ammunition………” (DAWN, Editorial July 07, 207 – Image and reality).</p>
<p>“………….The president says that an operation against these brigands can be launched but that would lead to casualties on both sides. But wouldn&#8217;t the same happen in the operation that he is widely believed poised to launch in the tribal belt and parts of NWFP to flush out militants and fanatics? Won&#8217;t innocent people, including women and children, perish in collateral damage in that operation? And will the Jaish and al-Qaeda militants and suicide bombers holed up in the mosque and its seminaries turn saints if left alone? Won&#8217;t they be instead sharpening their fangs to become more poisonous and more lethal? And won&#8217;t they be widening their links outside with the fanatics, and not snap them? Isn&#8217;t malignancy knifed off to prevent it from growing into bigger malignancy? Didn&#8217;t the Saudi army break into the holiest of the Muslim holy places, the Haram Sharif of Makkah, with tanks and guns to liberate it from the occupation of a bevy of apostates to stamp out their apostasy in the bud?” (The Frontier Post, Editorial July 02, 2007 - Tackling a malignancy)</p>
<p>“The fact is that Lal Masjid was feeding ideologically into the anarchic order of Talibanisation in the Frontier and Tribal Areas. Eighty percent of the acolytes in its residential seminaries were from FATA and from the provincially administered tribal region of Malakand, Swat and Dir. Messrs Ghazi and Aziz regularly applauded the “state within the state” of the “FM radio mullah” Fazlullah of Malakand enjoying direct connections with Al Qaeda. No one paid heed to this. No one registered the trend of increased Al Qaeda “appearances” in the country. Over the last six months, many Al Qaeda terrorists were caught in the country and Lal Masjid remained an ally of Al Qaeda. Significantly, the “free media” knew about it but didn’t take it to task!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Let us be clear. No government can violate the universal principle of “no negotiation with terrorists” and live to be praised. This time around, the “free media” didn’t play its cards fairly. It was allowed to carry on its own “negotiations” with the terrorists, tacitly bending public opinion in favour of “safe passage” — one FM radio in Lahore actually recommended it — and was not able to comment objectively on the vested interest of the Wifaq clerics negotiating with the ulterior motive of grabbing the madrassa property in a city already home to 88 seminaries bristling with rejectionism.” (Daily Time, Editorial July 11, 2007 – Lessons of Lal Masjid).</p>
<p>“……….Already, religious leaders have begun confusing the issue by calling it a grand conspiracy against Pakistan and Islam, with some accusing the government of resorting to the same extremism as the mosque. This view is wrong and the government would do well to ignore it………. There are times when governments have to take unsavoury decisions in the larger interest of the nation-state. In 1979, the Saudi government had to take just such a decision when some extremist elements took over the Ka’aba. In 1984, the Indian government decided to storm the Golden Temple because such an action, despite the dangers inherent in doing so, had become inevitable and absolutely necessary. The government in Islamabad too cannot avoid taking the difficult decision now…………” (Daily Time, Editorial July 04, 2007 - Government must enforce order).</p>
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		<title>By: Aashique of Musharraf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aashique of Musharraf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LONG MARCH HAS BEEN PROVED A FAILURE. 
GEO TV REPORT AT 9 O'CLOCK 12/06/2008

GEO HAS FINALLY COME OUT WITH SOME TRUTH AT LAST.

ASHAMED ON GEO FOR FALSE REPORTS AND USING WORDS LIKE "FAQEED UL MISAL ISTAQBAL AND WALAHANA ISTAQBAL AND AWAM KA JOSH O KHAROSH.

SHAME ON HAMID MIR, ANSAR ABBASI, ABSAR ALAM AND SALEEM BUKHARI FOR TELLING LIES TO THE NATION</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LONG MARCH HAS BEEN PROVED A FAILURE.<br />
GEO TV REPORT AT 9 O&#8217;CLOCK 12/06/2008</p>
<p>GEO HAS FINALLY COME OUT WITH SOME TRUTH AT LAST.</p>
<p>ASHAMED ON GEO FOR FALSE REPORTS AND USING WORDS LIKE &#8220;FAQEED UL MISAL ISTAQBAL AND WALAHANA ISTAQBAL AND AWAM KA JOSH O KHAROSH.</p>
<p>SHAME ON HAMID MIR, ANSAR ABBASI, ABSAR ALAM AND SALEEM BUKHARI FOR TELLING LIES TO THE NATION</p>
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