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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HT

"""A failed State first occurs when people begin to blame everyone but themselves for their problems."""

Well said. This is the exact situation in Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HT</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"A failed State first occurs when people begin to blame everyone but themselves for their problems.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said. This is the exact situation in Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johann:  Eloquently said!

That's why it is a serious myth, misunderstanding of pakistan when some one says "pakistan army is the reason for pakistan's problems". 

Pakistan army is merely a reflection of the violent, militaristic mindset of their society. Each and every war with India was cheered on by the "moderate" public including the Bengali genocide until defeat came. Same in 1999. 

After reading some pak blogs including this one...paks are completely out of touch and are in a very schizophrenic delusional mindset.

We naively think they will turn around every time. Even now there is no evidence. Situation is bleak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johann:  Eloquently said!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it is a serious myth, misunderstanding of pakistan when some one says &#8220;pakistan army is the reason for pakistan&#8217;s problems&#8221;. </p>
<p>Pakistan army is merely a reflection of the violent, militaristic mindset of their society. Each and every war with India was cheered on by the &#8220;moderate&#8221; public including the Bengali genocide until defeat came. Same in 1999. </p>
<p>After reading some pak blogs including this one&#8230;paks are completely out of touch and are in a very schizophrenic delusional mindset.</p>
<p>We naively think they will turn around every time. Even now there is no evidence. Situation is bleak.</p>
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		<title>By: Canada Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canada Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recent history in Pakistan is similar to events in Iran during the rule of the Shah.  Both leaderships were strongly backed by the US, and were involved in widespread repression or attacks on their own people.  Both regimes followed policies that were deeply unpopular domestically.  In Iran, this led the revolution of 1979 which created an Islamic Republic. Could something similar happen in Pakistan?

&lt;a href="http://watching-history.blogspot.com/2009/10/future-of-pakistan.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://watching-history.blogspot.com/2009/10/future-of-pakistan.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent history in Pakistan is similar to events in Iran during the rule of the Shah.  Both leaderships were strongly backed by the US, and were involved in widespread repression or attacks on their own people.  Both regimes followed policies that were deeply unpopular domestically.  In Iran, this led the revolution of 1979 which created an Islamic Republic. Could something similar happen in Pakistan?</p>
<p><a href="http://watching-history.blogspot.com/2009/10/future-of-pakistan.html" rel="nofollow">http://watching-history.blogspot.com/2009/10/future-of-pakistan.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: HT</title>
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		<dc:creator>HT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a world of their own

One almost feels sorry for the US as it attempts to gain traction with Pakistan. A common claim: we helped the US drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan and were then abandoned. This is disingenuous. Pakistan knew that the US was legally bound to sever ties if it persisted with its covert nuclear programme. It persevered and forced the US to walk away. The John Kerry-Richard Lugar bill provides generous and, compared to past aid packages, remarkably condition-free military and civilian assistance to Islamabad. Yet it was treated as a means to convert Pakistan into the indentured servant of the US.

A deepening trend in Pakistan is a national sense of delusion about the nature and origins of the problems that afflict the country. Unfortunately, the country’s leaders have come to believe in these delusions or propagate them for short-term political gain. Just as is the case with individuals, conspiratorial thinking and a bias towards fantastic narratives is born from a sense of powerlessness and disenfranchisement. Pakistanis seem to accept that they are in a sinking ship but prefer to blame the leaking hull on unknown swimmers rather than their unwillingness to plug holes. This is not a surprise.

To look too closely at themselves would require Pakistanis to acknowledge that the militants now waging war against them are their own creation, that they have guided their country away from a modern States’s inclusive polity and that if their sovereignty today is mortgaged to Washington, Beijing and Riyadh, it is because of their fruitless attempt to match India in every field.

Countries that require therapy rather than mere material assistance are not beyond a cure. Unfortunately, the cure often comes after a complete political and social collapse. Or a more controlled revolution where an older establishment is replaced with the mindset of a new order. But even this requires Pakistanis to accept that their problems are largely of their own order. There is evidence this is starting to happen. The question will be whether this awareness will be overwhelmed by the strength of the delusions. If so, Pakistan’s troubles will be beyond the ability of aid or arms. A failed State first occurs when people begin to blame everyone but themselves for their problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a world of their own</p>
<p>One almost feels sorry for the US as it attempts to gain traction with Pakistan. A common claim: we helped the US drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan and were then abandoned. This is disingenuous. Pakistan knew that the US was legally bound to sever ties if it persisted with its covert nuclear programme. It persevered and forced the US to walk away. The John Kerry-Richard Lugar bill provides generous and, compared to past aid packages, remarkably condition-free military and civilian assistance to Islamabad. Yet it was treated as a means to convert Pakistan into the indentured servant of the US.</p>
<p>A deepening trend in Pakistan is a national sense of delusion about the nature and origins of the problems that afflict the country. Unfortunately, the country’s leaders have come to believe in these delusions or propagate them for short-term political gain. Just as is the case with individuals, conspiratorial thinking and a bias towards fantastic narratives is born from a sense of powerlessness and disenfranchisement. Pakistanis seem to accept that they are in a sinking ship but prefer to blame the leaking hull on unknown swimmers rather than their unwillingness to plug holes. This is not a surprise.</p>
<p>To look too closely at themselves would require Pakistanis to acknowledge that the militants now waging war against them are their own creation, that they have guided their country away from a modern States’s inclusive polity and that if their sovereignty today is mortgaged to Washington, Beijing and Riyadh, it is because of their fruitless attempt to match India in every field.</p>
<p>Countries that require therapy rather than mere material assistance are not beyond a cure. Unfortunately, the cure often comes after a complete political and social collapse. Or a more controlled revolution where an older establishment is replaced with the mindset of a new order. But even this requires Pakistanis to accept that their problems are largely of their own order. There is evidence this is starting to happen. The question will be whether this awareness will be overwhelmed by the strength of the delusions. If so, Pakistan’s troubles will be beyond the ability of aid or arms. A failed State first occurs when people begin to blame everyone but themselves for their problems.</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mzia,
 Well no place on this planet earth can be said as a safe place that death is certain and reaches us where we are.

Yes; the matter of concern may be that there is a situation of law and order which has become precarious for the time being.

In South Waziristan the dens and sanctuaries that these ferocious evil people have been using for decades to launch their subversive activities are about to be smashed and Insha Allah the land of all the evils called--- FATA is soon going to see the light of peace and serenity. The culprits from this area are not only trying to retaliate but will come up with all their subversive tactics and methods where the will of the people and forces is affected and that they loose heart. They will bring up lot many more atrocities like bombing and targeting the common people live so that in turn they may save their own lives and sanctuaries and also their Norco and arms smuggling business which is the life line of their survival.

 This evil which has infested our society so badly has to be eliminated and its remnants eradicated through and through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mzia,<br />
 Well no place on this planet earth can be said as a safe place that death is certain and reaches us where we are.</p>
<p>Yes; the matter of concern may be that there is a situation of law and order which has become precarious for the time being.</p>
<p>In South Waziristan the dens and sanctuaries that these ferocious evil people have been using for decades to launch their subversive activities are about to be smashed and Insha Allah the land of all the evils called&#8212; FATA is soon going to see the light of peace and serenity. The culprits from this area are not only trying to retaliate but will come up with all their subversive tactics and methods where the will of the people and forces is affected and that they loose heart. They will bring up lot many more atrocities like bombing and targeting the common people live so that in turn they may save their own lives and sanctuaries and also their Norco and arms smuggling business which is the life line of their survival.</p>
<p> This evil which has infested our society so badly has to be eliminated and its remnants eradicated through and through.</p>
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		<title>By: Saima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said,A Khokar.USA is only concerned about its own interests,what they are offering via aid is not an iota of what we have lost during the war.Obama is nothing but Black Bush!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said,A Khokar.USA is only concerned about its own interests,what they are offering via aid is not an iota of what we have lost during the war.Obama is nothing but Black Bush!</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johann,

 May it be Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle East and now Pakistan---or earlier it was Vietnam, Korea, Lagos, South American states like Chilly or Mexico or Honduras. Through out the history USA has been fighting wars and reducing these poor defenseless countries to rubbles. There has been no repentance. No remorse for destroying this planet or bringing miseries to million of people that after every destruction they only met failures and defeat.

To sum up; It can not be called any sort of Foolishness on their part that USA do not considers it as such. ‘There are no Friends or Enemies; just (US) Interests'; says Henry Kissinger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johann,</p>
<p> May it be Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle East and now Pakistan&#8212;or earlier it was Vietnam, Korea, Lagos, South American states like Chilly or Mexico or Honduras. Through out the history USA has been fighting wars and reducing these poor defenseless countries to rubbles. There has been no repentance. No remorse for destroying this planet or bringing miseries to million of people that after every destruction they only met failures and defeat.</p>
<p>To sum up; It can not be called any sort of Foolishness on their part that USA do not considers it as such. ‘There are no Friends or Enemies; just (US) Interests&#8217;; says Henry Kissinger.</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jai Ho!,

The ugly face that India is bearing in the subcontinent; it is because she is victim of its own Chankia’s mythology which says that all the immediate neighbour are the enemies and special friendship be cultivated with all others------ lying across these neighbour.

It is for sure that India does not want to see a potent Pakistan as her neighbour and is all out since its inception to undo it but as I said some time ago:
If all the wishes and dreams of vultures were to come-------true, there would have been no living cow walking on this planet.

 India has to put up or shut up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jai Ho!,</p>
<p>The ugly face that India is bearing in the subcontinent; it is because she is victim of its own Chankia’s mythology which says that all the immediate neighbour are the enemies and special friendship be cultivated with all others&#8212;&#8212; lying across these neighbour.</p>
<p>It is for sure that India does not want to see a potent Pakistan as her neighbour and is all out since its inception to undo it but as I said some time ago:<br />
If all the wishes and dreams of vultures were to come&#8212;&#8212;-true, there would have been no living cow walking on this planet.</p>
<p> India has to put up or shut up</p>
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		<title>By: A Khokar</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Khokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Johann and Jai Ho!,

I bear repeating it here that you both seems to be of opinion that US is dishing out some aid and is saying that we take it or leave it. No—- that is not the case. It is war and cost of war which is being discussed between two allies and not some aid. 

Pakistanis are of the opinion that every country in the US war against the terror (NATO and others) their armies are participating in this war; they are adequately been compensated or paid by US toward their cost effects (including India). Here in Pakistan; this is a matter between two allies (US- Pakistan)that  Pakistan is fighting as front state in the war and consequently this country has suffered a lot. As per estimate which US also accepts; Pakistan has suffered a loss of some 80 Billion plus an insurmountable anarchy which has engulfed the entire country like a wild fire. 7.5 billions Being offered by K-L bill or now being trumpeted by Hillary on this accounts as compensation by US—- is just a peanut.

US secretary of state Hillary Clinton has come to Pakistan on a good will visit. Whether she meets the anchors of our freewheeling media that unlike the countries in our neighborhood where humanity is suffering in miseries—— and have no voice of their own— or that she meets the students in Lahore university; she is our guest. But where ever she has gone —–every where she got the real feel of our nation pulses that this nation is not for any subjugation that US may think of.

But with every visit of any US emissaries ———one feels a real change----- in somewhat lowering of their haughtiness found in US as their hereditary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Johann and Jai Ho!,</p>
<p>I bear repeating it here that you both seems to be of opinion that US is dishing out some aid and is saying that we take it or leave it. No—- that is not the case. It is war and cost of war which is being discussed between two allies and not some aid. </p>
<p>Pakistanis are of the opinion that every country in the US war against the terror (NATO and others) their armies are participating in this war; they are adequately been compensated or paid by US toward their cost effects (including India). Here in Pakistan; this is a matter between two allies (US- Pakistan)that  Pakistan is fighting as front state in the war and consequently this country has suffered a lot. As per estimate which US also accepts; Pakistan has suffered a loss of some 80 Billion plus an insurmountable anarchy which has engulfed the entire country like a wild fire. 7.5 billions Being offered by K-L bill or now being trumpeted by Hillary on this accounts as compensation by US—- is just a peanut.</p>
<p>US secretary of state Hillary Clinton has come to Pakistan on a good will visit. Whether she meets the anchors of our freewheeling media that unlike the countries in our neighborhood where humanity is suffering in miseries—— and have no voice of their own— or that she meets the students in Lahore university; she is our guest. But where ever she has gone —–every where she got the real feel of our nation pulses that this nation is not for any subjugation that US may think of.</p>
<p>But with every visit of any US emissaries ———one feels a real change&#8212;&#8211; in somewhat lowering of their haughtiness found in US as their hereditary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai Ho!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jai Ho!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johann, even now these Pakis don't agree that Pakistan was at fault all these years in regard to their India policy. 

Every article of theirs blames their leaders about how they messed up Pakistan, so it is safe to assume that it is THEIR leaders who created the hostilities with India, encouraged terrorism and created the distrust with us for their own personal gains. 

When their Banana Republic could not even sustain democracy, how could they have made responsible decisions regarding India? So do you Pakis agree that all the wars imposed on India are due to the idiotic and irresponsible acts of your leaders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johann, even now these Pakis don&#8217;t agree that Pakistan was at fault all these years in regard to their India policy. </p>
<p>Every article of theirs blames their leaders about how they messed up Pakistan, so it is safe to assume that it is THEIR leaders who created the hostilities with India, encouraged terrorism and created the distrust with us for their own personal gains. </p>
<p>When their Banana Republic could not even sustain democracy, how could they have made responsible decisions regarding India? So do you Pakis agree that all the wars imposed on India are due to the idiotic and irresponsible acts of your leaders?</p>
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